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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

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How to nominate an item[]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
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    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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Headers[]

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Voicing an opinion on an item[]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
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September 28[]

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(Closed) Trump Tax Returns[]

SNOW consensus closure. --Masem (t) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Tax returns of Donald Trump (talk, history)
Blurb: ​President Donald Trump's tax returns show he only paid $750 in taxes in 2016 and 2017 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​President Trump's tax returns are released by the New York Times
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This seems like the end to a long battle that has had heavy news coverage. Sixula (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment of course this good faith nom is going to be snow closed well before people on the east coast of the USA wake up in the morning so just let me pile on a quick ROTFLMFAO before this section gets an atop. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Trash human is trash and his tax returns are not notable for ITN purposes. Suggest SNOW close. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Quick, let's post this while the Europeans are asleep. -- Calidum 02:04, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Not blurb-worthy news. BD2412 T 02:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. Why is even a discussion? (talk) 02:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Trumpticking This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm not even going to buffer this comment with some trite OMB swipe; Good on Trump for playing by the rules and his tax preparer should give a hearty thanks to the Democrats for all the free advertising.130.233.2.170 () 05:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 27[]

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Business and economy

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RD: Mahbubey Alam[]

Article: Mahbubey Alam (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.newagebd.net/article/117436
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Attorney General of Bangladesh, covid DannyS712 (talk) 21:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Referencing issues; professional section lacks depth of coverage (essentially a "resume in prose format"). SpencerT•C 14:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Some tonal issues, and probably needs more and better sources. (I mean, the entire proffesional career section is unsourced and tonaly odd) Easily RD worthy though, so if it gets cleaned up I'll support. Gex4pls () 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Clement[]

Article: Wolfgang Clement (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German Politician. Former Minister President of North-Rhine Westphalia. Article requires some major work. a) References across the board b) content streamlining c) copy-edits. Might have to enlist support from others here to get this article in a ready state for homepage. All three categories of edits are done! The article has shaped out pretty well! Meets all hygiene elements for the homepage. Solid B-class article Ktin (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Conditional support Still needs quite a lot of referencing, because it is translation of a huge document on :de which is mainly unsourced... Clement is important enough for the front page. KittenKlub (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
KittenKlub, Agree. I went in and did some content streamlining / copy-editing on the front end of the article in the meantime. Ktin (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I came to nominate him after I saw the amazing job of referencing of you two, and now you did even that. Great work! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

::Gerda Arendt, still working on rewriting the content. We will be done soon. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

bedtime for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. All three categories of edits have been completed i.e. references, content streamlining, copy-edits. Article has shaped up as a solid B-class biography. Want to thank the partnership with KittenKlub in getting this done. We got on each others nerves with the edit conflicts. But, we (and hopefully the article) emerged much the stronger. Ktin (talk) 22:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 02:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Nagorno-Karabakh clashes[]

Article: September 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Azerbaijani and Armenian armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh, prompting the introduction of martial law in Armenia and Azerbaijan and total mobilization in Armenia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Armenia and Artsakh declare martial law and begin general mobilization as Azerbaijani and Artsakh armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh.
News source(s): BBC, US News, AP, dpa, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Another serious escalation of the decades-long Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and, apparently, one of the heaviest. Brandmeistertalk 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Wait – Developing. Details unclear. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Post – Armenia and Artsakh declared marital law and total mobilization. Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

What does that mean? I also went to cascade last night and got my booze. No cops around. 37.186.97.171 () 10:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support, added altblurb Obvious notability, dozens of dead already. Some say a major war is coming. 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

There's not going to be a war (yes overnight and this morning continued). Turkey is not going to go against the Russians and Iran too.37.186.97.171 () 10:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

  • comment Azeri parliament is discussing introduction of martial law as well right now. The ruling party (and de-facto the only real party) is in favour 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    comment Yep, they just declared martial law as well. Someone should amend the blurb212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Would support, major escalation. Though the article needs copyediting/updates for the lay reader not familiar with the conflict, for e.g., the lead says "Both sides reported military and civilian casualties" but lists the three Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh in the lead sentence. The alt-blurb is definitely a no-go, none of the sources refer to Artsakh and the primary conflict is between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Gotitbro (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It literally is Artsakh. Armenia was not attacked stepenakart and the area around is administrativelu a part of Artsakh, which is its own jurisdiction from Yerevan run Armenia. 37.186.97.171 () 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support, but wait Updated blurb. I think a few users are still copy-editing, but should be ready soon. 104.243.98.96 (talk) 16:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    • I've updated the article now to include martial law and curfew in Azerbaijan. Suggest original blurb. Brandmeistertalk 16:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Article seems quite good and the escalation does appear to be notable. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Increased RS coverage, some of it conflicting. ("Dozens" of dead not corroborated.) In view of decades of armed strife between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh, let's wait to see whether this is just another flare-up or something more significant. – Sca (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Major escalation. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support The event primarily remains classified as particularly geopolitically primary; this primarily serves to support a case for nomination, in addition to recent reports of alleged civilian and military casualties and the introduction of legal mobilisation and martial law. Primarily resulting from the previous circumstances, barring particularly improbable extenuating events resulting within deescalation, I support the nomination; the article should remain placed within the section immediately. SurenGrig07 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I think the fact that Armenia has declared total mobilization really sets this apart, "both sides described the clash as war" per the NYTimes. Not opposed to waiting a bit however, as the news is still fragmentary and a bit of a "he said they said". CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 20:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posting, the article is developing in a comprehensible one. --Tone 21:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment we now have an orange tagged article in the box. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Blurb contains "total mobilization", but what does it mean? The linked mobilization article does not explain the term. I think we should not include such an ill-defined term in the blurb (it can be understood both as total war and that all military personnel should be ready to be deployed, or something in between). There might also be NPOV-issues with it, as it might be a part of Armenia's information warfare campaign to send the signal that they are ready to do anything to defend Nagorno-Karabakh. ― Hebsen (talk) 21:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's total mobilization. I know many, many men due to report in the coming days (not including volunteers).37.186.97.171 () 10:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Orange tag is for expansion, which I don't find problematic. Good point for total, I will remove it from the blurb. --Tone 21:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – RS casualty reports continue to conflict. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]Sca (talk) 13:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jaswant Singh[]

Article: Jaswant Singh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Indian politician DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support. Article will require some work, including multiple citations (across sections) and copy edits.'Positions held' segment might be challenging to source. But, overall - definitely worth putting in the effort to get the article ready. All referencing done. Round of copy edits done. Article meets hygiene checks for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Updated the 'positions held' segment and the books segment with citations. Might have to look at the other segments as well. Done. Article is now referenced through out and a round of copy edits done too. If folks want any other edit done, I can have this covered in the morning. Calling it a night. I think the article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I was going to nominate this one myself, glad to see I was beat to it. Chetsford (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Susan Ryan[]

Article: Susan Ryan (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, The Australian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Australian senator. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. Support. Nice article. Went in and added a few CN tags. If you can get started at filling those in, that will get the article ready. I can lend a hand in a couple of hours. Ktin (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    Ktin, it looks like Ivar the Boneful has added some content and taken care of the cn tags; I have added him as an updater. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    PCN02WPS, thanks! Just added a couple of clarifying tags and someone there should be fixing them soon. I support once those tags are removed. Ktin (talk) 05:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    I have removed the citation required tags. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    Hawkeye7, Looks good! Thanks! Ktin (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Article is in excellent shape. Yoninah (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

September 26[]

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(Posted) RD: Isher Judge Ahluwalia[]

Article: Isher Judge Ahluwalia (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Livemint
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Economist. Padmashri Awardee. Start-class article. I will spend time tonight expanding the article. Edits done. Solid C-class article. Looks clean and passes all hygiene checks (including references) to go to the homepage / RD. Happy to include any additional edits. Ktin (talk) 23:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now on quality, entire unreferenced section. Can reassess later. -- a lad insane (channel two) 23:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
    A lad insane, Apologies -- you caught me as I was in the middle of my edits. Fully referenced now. Continuing to work on expanding the article. Edits done. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. As noted above. Edits have been done. Clean article, meets all hygiene checks (including references) to go to homepage / RD. I came across a story when trying to expand this article that I thought I should share here. Dr Ahluwalia's husband Montek Singh Ahluwalia is also an economist (and was the Deputy chairperson of India's planning commission. Arguably amongst the top 2-3 finance portfolio functions in the Indian cabinet). A journalist calling home:“Can I speak to Dr Ahluwalia?”; IJA:“Speaking”; Journalist (puzzled): “Can I speak to the other Dr Ahluwalia?”. IJA:“There is only one Dr Ahluwalia in this house”, and put down the phone down. Here's to Dr IJA, and to everyone who break these glass ceilings! Ktin (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. I think the article meets homepage / RD requirements and can go there in this state.
  • Support, but suggest toning down the "she was a published author" part. It's not unusual for academics to write books after all. I don't think you can really expect an admin to post an article with just one supporting vote from the nom! —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    Brigade Piron, Agree, and done! Edited.
    Apologies -- my messages were not aimed at the Admins. I was looking for more editors such as yourself to chime in on the homepage readiness. Agree w/ your statement entirely. Ktin (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: - Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted on the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

September 25[]

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(Closed) 2020 Chuhuiv An-26 crash[]

WP:SNOW close. Tragic Military accident but not notable enough for ITN. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2020 Chuhuiv An-26 crash (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An Antonov An-26 military transport plane crashed during a training flight in Eastern Ukraine, killing 26 people onboard. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
Credits:

Article updated
 EugεnS¡m¡on 06:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support plane crash with high body count; should make it to the front Chetsford (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Military training accident. Lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As tragic as it is, it is a plane crash during a training flight. No global significance. KittenKlub (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per above. Tragic but also non-ITN worthy. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting a tragic military accident, as military activity carries inherent risk. 331dot (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Peter Hampton[]

Article: Peter Hampton (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stoke Sentinel
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Short but sourced. Black Kite (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Neat little article, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 10:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. All sourcing in place, no close paraphrasing seen. Yoninah (talk) 09:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Could someone post this please? It's been sitting ready for nearly a day. Black Kite (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) New president in Mali[]

Articles: 2020 Malian coup d'état (talk, history) and Bah Ndaw (talk, history)
Blurb: Bah Ndaw is sworn in as President of Mali to head a transitional government after the coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Bah Ndaw takes office as Mali's transitional President following a coup d'état the previous month
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Article updated

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: After the coup d'état that overthrown Ibrahim Boubacar Keita, the military junta names a new president to preside the 18-month transition. Bah Ndaw have the validation of the European Union and ECOWAS. Like Sudan, it seems that Mali will have a pacific and civilian transition. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support change of head of state. Hope this will continue to be peaceful. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support ITN/R as a head of state change This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Article is a little bare-bones and lacks a picture, but everything there is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose article isn't very good, and we posted the coup. The inauguration of the person who took power by force is an inevitable formality. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Still a transfer of power, but article concerns are accurate. Kingsif (talk) 20:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Now Support - a reference for actually being sworn in was added after my !vote, it's sufficient now, just. Kingsif (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Marking as ITNR. (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as a head of state change. Article was recently expanded. TJMSmith (talk) 20:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks fine, significant development after the coup. Gotitbro (talk) 21:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as ITN/R. And the article is a triumph compared to many of our other African political biography articles! —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support automatically listed as ITN/R. Not comment about this nomination. 36.68.187.70 (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment marking as ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Support ITNR and per above. Dan the Animator 01:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Object to this being considered as ITNR. ITNR is specifically for naturally reoccurring events. E.g. "The results of the elections for head of state" or "The succession of a head of state...in those countries where head of state is not an elected position." This nom doesn't exactly fit either. Mali is a country where the head of state is elected, and Ndaw was not elected. I'm not saying we can't post it, but the nom should be considered on it's merits. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
    Oppose With the preceding in mind, the appointment of a leader by a single person, where such leader is naturally and completely beholden to the prior is plainly not significant, and not the sort of assumed significance we mean when we talk about heads of state. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Not the place. Go to the talk page This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Added alt-blurb to clarify that he is, at least in theory, a transitional leader This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment not WP:ITNR per the guidelines the succession of a head of state is only ITNR when it's not an elected position, and in Mali, it's an elected position. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support – Whether or not it is ITNR is immaterial. Mali is a very important country in the region. A destabilized Mali means a destabilized West Africa. The appointment of a new government and a new president is highly notable. --- C&C () 13:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
As to this being ITNR or not, I think a new head of state being sworn in after the previous one was overthrown fits with the spirit of the ITNR listing, especially if the new leader seems to be generally accepted as such. But this seems to have consensus even without ITNR. If users want to exclude the replacement of an overthrown head of state from ITNR, they may discuss such an idea. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: S. P. Balasubrahmanyam[]

Article: S. P. Balasubrahmanyam (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Another COVID-19 death. Indian playback singer with over 40,000 songs in 16 Indian languages. Article requires some streamlining of citations and some copy-edits. RIP. [6] Thank you for all the wonderful memories through the years SPB! Ktin (talk) 08:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Despite some copy-edit issues, I support this to be nominated since the subject has been receiving wide coverage after the demise. The subject is well known in film industry. The article is well sourced but requires an official source from the authorities of Guinness World Records to verify whether he actually achieved the world record for recording most number of songs. I have seen mainly Indian sources covering about that and I hardly see any other sources depict about his Guinness World Record. The issue has been raised in talk page of the article. Abishe (talk) 08:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support A high-profile subject who made an immense contribution to Indian cinema. The article is in decent shape. --Ab207 (talk) 10:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - He is notable singer in India. - Ravichandra (talk) 10:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose 1990s section missing refs. The discography and filmography "sub-articles" are totally unreferenced. We should be careful about featuring articles on the MP where the details about what makes a subject notable lack refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Citations seem to have been now added to the 1990s section. Other sections seem well referenced. If there are any other refs pending, please let know and I can give it a shot. Ktin (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Marking as ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 16:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. On somewhat expected lines, this article is the top read article in en.wikipedia right now (yesterday and today). Everyone who contributed to editing this article -- nice job! RIP SPB. [7] Ktin (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Italian constitutional referendum[]

Article: 2020 Italian constitutional referendum (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Italy votes to amend its constitution to reduce the size of its Parliament by a third. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NY Times
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Italy (G7 country) votes to amend its constitution. Similar to a general election which are ITN/R. Honestly surprised it wasn't put up a few days ago. Plus, it's at ITN on the French Wikipedia. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Nicely written and thoroughly referenced article. I wish the ITNR election articles looked this good. One CN tagging what looks like a minor OR assertion, which could probably be removed without replacement. Added NYT source.130.233.2.170 () 05:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Very interesting and unusual change in a parliamentary republic, a G7 member one of the largest countries in Europe. This is definitely notable for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article seems reasonable and, although Italian constitutional changes are admittedly fairly frequent, this seems more important than most. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Big development and very important. Cutting down the parliament by a third! It's like cutting down the HOR to 290 from 435.~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Although, after this reduction, Italy's Parliament (400 + 200) is still larger the U.S. Congress (435 + 100), even though the U.S. has more than five times the population. Davey2116 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Very significant development, and one that has enduring impact. Albertaont (talk) 23:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Marking as ready since there is unanimous support. Dan the Animator 01:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Admin: since no one is answering at errors, please ensure the Cyclone is bumped when post this, as it ended prior to the other events listed. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: There are 2 CNs in the article that should be addressed. SpencerT•C 02:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    @OrbitalBuzzsaw: can you help with those? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Apologies, terribly busy today. Looks like this story isn't in the news anymore, sadly This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

September 24[]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economics
  • German vehicle company BMW is fined $18 million by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to resolve allegations that it inflated sales figures between 2015 and 2019. The fine amounts to less than 0.3% of the company's yearly income. (AP)

Health and environment

Law and crime

RD: John J. Myers[]

Article: John J. Myers (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): North Jersey, WVIK
Credits:

Article updated

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. The structure needs real work. Equally, more sources would be helpful in the "Views" section. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Weber (designer)[]

Article: Gerhard Weber (designer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): fashionunited.uk and all major German newspapers
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: He created a fashion imperium out of nothing and lost it - see how Steffi Graf and Whitney Houston belong in the story. - The article was just a redirect to the company. I'm not sure "designer" is the best dab. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. Looks clean, and well cited. Nicely done in building the entire article from what was earlier a redirect. I am going to put on the Spencer Standard, and request for the coverage gap between 1990 and 2015 to be filled. Also, any more information on how did he 'lose it all'. Ktin (talk) 21:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you for looking and copy-edit - not my typical topic. The loss seems more a topic for the company, no? Built too many small shops which were seen as unwanted competition by those who had bought retail. One sources says that the designs were suitable for ladies past 50, but I never know how much interpretation of a journalist is involved. Another source says the 2015 Logistic Center was too expensive. Bedtime for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Did a round of copy-edits, added some content, with this I think the article is there. Ktin (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go. P-K3 (talk) 23:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. No issues. Dan the Animator 01:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Based on above. Marking ready Ktin (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 10:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sekhar Basu[]

Article: Sekhar Basu (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sorry for the multiple Indian RD nominations. Another COVID-19 death. Indian nuclear scientist. Former Chairman of Atomic Energy Commission of India. Padma Shri awardee. Article has an yellow tag, and a good amount of rewrites required to ensure WP:NPOV. Will work on the article for a bit before before calling it a night. Done for the day. Article is getting there! This is done. Content rewrite is done. Looks good, if I may say so. Ktin (talk) 06:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. The tone needs some work per WP:EPSTYLE. There are several points at which it sounds a bit like a hagiography - "engaged", "contributed", "led efforts", "state-of-the-art", etc. The number of images (most of which do not add anything) should also be trimmed. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
    Brigade Piron, Agree. I will work on it tonight. Attempted a good amount last night, but, couldn't finish. Ktin (talk) 16:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC) This is completed i.e. additional content rewrite to meet WP:NPOV and WP:EPSTYLE. Also, removed a couple of images. Though it would be good to leave the INS Arihant image. But, I have removed it for now. With this, we should be good to go. Happy to make any additional edits. Ktin (talk) 02:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support no outstanding issues. Dan the Animator 01:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Per the edits made above. With this, the article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good, now that edits have been made as needed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, and Black Kite: - Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted on the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. Many thanks to Ktin for another excellent nomination.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: 2020 Western United States wildfires[]

Strong consensus against removal. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 Western United States wildfires (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It was definitely in the news a few weeks ago, especially with apocalyptically looking images coming out of San Francisco and Oregon. Nonetheless, the death toll and financial damages are not particularly high for an ITN recurring disaster. I am aware the article does still get updates, but at this point, the world has largely moved on. Albertaont (talk) 07:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • The criteria for Ongoing, summarised, are; regular updates to the original article; pertinent updates to the original article; does not mean the article has a featured status beyond its place in the Ongoing heading. If the wildfires nomination no longer meets these, then it should be removed. doktorb wordsdeeds 08:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The argument that "the world has moved on" is thankfully not a criterion we consider here. Yes, people get bored, and how much can you keep posting essentially the same story? But the size, breadth, and threat to densely populated areas remains substantial here. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose "The world has moved on" is not a criterion when posting at ITN. As much in the news as the Belarus protests, and updated too. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 11:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Still burning and still spewing smaze over half the country. Propose this again in another month. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still raging. Gotitbro (talk) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose I opposed this when it was (much to my displeasure) put up as a blurb, but for better or worse it is still happening and in the news, so it stays IMO This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment the target article is getting infrequent one-liner updates. In the US, large fires are named and the August Complex fire is getting regular updates - but WP:ITN#Ongoing section has no provision for "sub articles". I'm leaning towards support pulling it except that the "List of wildfires" makes it easy to find active fires which are being regularly updated. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still being regularly updated with pertinent information. --Jayron32 23:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Dean Jones[]

Article: Dean Jones (cricketer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-24/dean-jones-australian-test-cricketer-dead-at-59/12700456
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Australian cricketer, commentator and coach. Died of a heart attack at the age of 59. HiLo48 (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Strong support The article is in good shape and well sourced. There is a wide coverage about his demise amid being one of the commentators of the ongoing 2020 Indian Premier League. I was actually confused why the place of death was mentioned as Mumbai instead of UAE where the IPL is currently being held. Abishe (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • He was a part of the IPL commentary team (along with Brett Lee) in Mumbai. Ktin (talk) 12:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait still being updated, and a number of citation needed tags need to be fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Article has a few CN tags, once those are updated the Filled the last [citation needed] tag. Article should be good to go to the homepage / RD. Shocking news. RIP. Thanks for all the memories. [8] [9] Ktin (talk) 12:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support well sourced now. 1 cn tag, but that can either be resolved, or that sentence can be removed- rest of article is well sourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    Joseph2302, filled the last [citation needed] tag from Cricinfo. Should be good now. Ktin (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support sourcing looks good and article is good length. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Everything is now sourced, looks good to go. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support article is ready. Dan the Animator 20:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 20:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

September 23[]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Closed) Alexander Lukashenko[]

WP:SNOW. Unanimous opsn. No chance.
Sca (talk) 15:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Alexander Lukashenko (talk, history)
Blurb: Alexander Lukashenko is inaugurated President of Belarus for a sixth term in a ceremony at the Independence Palace. (Post)
News source(s): The Moscow Times, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: We've frequently posted ITN on the formal inauguration of heads of state and chiefs of government like Igor Matovič, Donald Trump, etc. Given that the incumbent has been widely in the news recently, it would seem odd to omit this one regardless of the tumult that surrounded the actual election. Chetsford (talk) 17:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose & Comment — President of Belarus, not Ukraine. Cheers, --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support As discussed when we talked about removing the protests from ongoing This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose a ongoing and blurb covering the same material? Sounds a bit much in my opinion. Dan the Animator 20:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment LOL we most certainly did not post the inauguration of Donald Trump as suggested by the nom and in fact the nom was snow closed in just 9 hours, much less than 24 and not even enough time for people in Asia to !vote on it --LaserLegs (talk) 20:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We posted the election and the subsequent protests, and we don't normally then also blurb inaugurations. Trump was actually not initially blurbed on his inauguration day, but when the protests around his inauguration became headline news themselves, that's when we blurbed. I would think the entry in ongoing is enough to cover this story, unless something very dramatic or a large escalation flares up as a result.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose we posted the election and protests the inauguration was inevitable and ceremonial. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
It was a significant step for Lukashenko as an attempt to discourage his opposition. Nothing more. IMO --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose we don't post inaugurations. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per precedent as noted above and inconsequential. Gotitbro (talk) 10:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Harold Evans[]

Article: Harold Evans (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Support article seems well sourced. (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

*Weak Oppose missing a few in-text refs. Will support once those are added. Dan the Animator 16:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support thanks Ktin for adding the refs, it looks good now. Sorry for not replying earlier and thanks Spencer for posting it. Dan the Animator 19:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Dantheanimator, added a round of citations. Gave one more read - no major references remain pending. If someone spots one, and can add a few CN tags, I can give it a shot later this evening. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Continuing from above, the article is clean, and well sourced. Ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Quite a good article. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
    Dantheanimator and Brigade Piron, If it is alright I will mark this ready. Ktin (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 16:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Suresh Angadi[]

Article: Suresh Angadi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, New Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Indian Member of Parliament, and Minister of State for Railways. Article is well referenced and is start-class. COVID-19 death. Ktin (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Thanks. Moving to the right date. My bad - been a long workday. Ktin (talk) 01:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support a bit short, but long enough for the main page. Adequately sourced too. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. A bit more on his political views would be good, but it is adequate for posting as it stands. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose As with many politician articles nominated at RD, there are some election results but minimal information about what he did in the position. Insufficient depth of coverage of the subject. SpencerT•C 15:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    Spencer, I agree with you at the broadest level. I did give it some search last night -- but, there is hardly anything there from a secondary research standpoint. Will give it some more focus tonight. But, my fear is that this is the problem with this category of politicians from the subcontinent. i.e. lack of secondary sources detailing their work. So, the positions end up becoming the narrative. Ktin (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    Spencer, Alrightie -- I have significantly expanded on his role in the ministry. a) Suburban rail network b) connectivity with airport c) greening initiatives d) freight actions e) COVID-19 special trains. With this, I think the article should go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Dan the Animator 16:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 04:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Cyclone Ianos[]

Article: Cyclone Ianos (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Cities such as Karditsa and Athens are flooded and four people were killed after Cyclone Ianos hits Greece. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​After Cyclone Ianos stalls over Greece, more than four people have died and one missing, and entire towns were flooded.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ianos stalled over Greece from September 17 to 20. Three days later, the country is still in a state of chaos as Athens remains flooded along with other major cities. This is one of Greece's first major tropical cyclones.

~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - it is very much in the news especially in Europe. News coverage did die down a bit though Greece is still suffering and requesting help. Article has after math section.108.35.187.79 (talk) 22:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support rare for the region. Dan the Animator 23:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    Is it though? Zorba (2018) killed at least 5 people in Tunisia[10] and 3 were missing from Greece.[11] Maybe its climate change but it seems to be happening more often. Not a !vote. --- C&C () 23:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    Zorbas did kill people, but an article wasn't created since most hurricane editors and met centers do not recognize the Mediterranean as a basin. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    Ok. I will bite. Can you try a blurb that names some notable cities? "Entire cities" seems a bit sensationalist. --- C&C () 01:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    • @: Added two - Karditsa (where flooding seems to be the worst - the city was underwater for some time), and Athens - where some street flooding is occuring. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support – Since I would hope we would give flooding and suffering in the Indian subcontinent as much attention. Rarity is not a big seller for me. --- C&C () 02:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The argument for rarity is that we cannot possibly post all events of similar impact. Even localized rarity, a la "X may happen once a month somewhere, but it hasn't happened in Y for Z years" could be used to justify a dozen posts per week. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    • @GreatCaesarsGhost: Article updated substantially. Now the Greek PM is going around speaking to people in the Aftermath section. One more death has been reported. Disastrous for Greece - we posted a bus plunging into a river, right? ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
      • Five times as many people died on that one bus than the whole of Greece here. If we post a rather ordinary weather event because it is substantial by local standards, that is all we'd ever post. No matter - I'm clearly in the minority here; no need to convince me. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support sufficiently rare, in the news, and the article is decent (I would have liked a storm track). --LaserLegs (talk) 14:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    • @LaserLegs: The storm path hasn't been created yet. I'll speak with the storm track team. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment one more death. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I think ALT is better, but clearly rare enough to be notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Never even heard of such a thing before. Definitely rare and ITN material. Support original blurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Just be aware that there is a discussion on the article's talk page for a page move. NoahTalk 19:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted adjusted version of ALT blurb. Further suggestions for the blurb are welcome; please suggest at WP:ERRORS. SpencerT•C 20:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Marginal significance, so far at least. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump considering measures to bypass election results[]

WP:SNOW close. Trump may be suggesting he'll try to contest the election results, and that might be significant enough for a blurb, if he does. But, the mere speculation is not ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 United States presidential election (talk, history)
Blurb: Donald Trump's campaign is discussing with local legislatures plans to appoint electors (Post)
News source(s): Forbes, The Atlantic
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "...the Trump campaign is discussing potential strategies to circumvent the results of the 2020 election, should Joe Biden defeat Donald Trump, by first alleging the existence of rampant fraud and then appointing electors in battleground states where Republicans maintain a legislative majority, whom Trump would ask to bypass the state’s popular vote and instead to choose electors loyal to the GOP and the sitting president.

Count Iblis (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose and likely Snow close. This is hypothetical conjecture, and unless there's an impeachment or we have the actual election results, we aren't posting blow-by-blow events running up to the election. SpencerT•C 18:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose till it happens --LaserLegs (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    • It might be getting close to time for ongoing for the US election. I know we wouldn't do it for Vanuatu but the US is a nuclear armed economic powerhouse that exerts unequal influence throughout the world. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Gale Sayers[]

Article: Gale Sayers (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame Chicago Bears tailback. GA status. rawmustard (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing removal: 2020 Belarusian Protests[]

Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from 14 Sept. Since 15 Sept. (8 days) there has been 4 prose updates to the article: 1, 2, 3 and 4. Except for the last and oldest, they all document routine protest antics and politicking. A search for "Belarus" or "Lukashenko" in native tongue from high profile RSs (LA Times, Chicago Tribune, NY Times, Le Monde, El País, Der Spiegel) revealed 0 (zero) stories on front pages. The European RSs have decisively moved onto the Navalny story. The lack of high-profile RS coverage combined with slow/crime blotter updates suggests to me that this should go for now. 130.233.2.170 () 05:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh, please. Ongoing is not the same as a blurb and there's no requirement that any recent events there be blurb worthy. In fact, the ITN rules for ongoing say precisely the opposite: "Generally, these are stories which may lack a blurb-worthy event, but which nonetheless are still getting regular updates to the relevant article." I'm sure that Putin and Lukashenko would like this story to go away, quietly. But with a march of over 100,000 people just this Sunday that's not going to happen. Nsk92 (talk) 07:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Mass protests are still ongoing, the article is updated daily. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support there aren't updates about mass protests daily because there aren't daily protests. Last major one was the 20th, the 13th before that and the 6th before that. This as become a weekend affair and in between are long rambling paragraphs recording in detail every comment by protest organizers and every slight or perceived slight by the government. The symbols section (itself the focus of a simmering edit war in the article) is now orange tagged for undue. It's time to come down. If they unseat the government, blurb it. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
The largest protest since the dispited election took place just this Sunday. Today, Sept 23, a few hours ago, Lukashenko has just been sworn in as President for another term in a semi-secret inauguration ceremony in Minsk[13]. There's certain to be a reaction from the opposition. This story is not over, by far. Nsk92 (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Like I said, 3 protests in 4 weeks is not regularly updated with new, pertinent information. I'm just applying the actual criteria here. You should too. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
It's not just 3 protests in 4 weeks. There are smaller scale protests happening around the country every day. E.g. RFE/RL has a page about Belarus in English with many updates [14], and there are a lot more news-sources in Russian, with a lot more detailed info abour what's going on (e.g. Novaya Gazeta [15], as a smaple example). One needs to use common sense too. The fact that the largest protest was just 3 days ago certainly does not indicate that the situation is winding down, quite the opposite. Now that Lukashenko's secret inauguration has taken place today, there's almost certain to be escalation of some kind. Russia is there conducting paratrooper military exercises in Belarus in the last few days [16][17]. Now is not the time to yank this story. Nsk92 (talk) 11:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't care about RFE I care about the article we have linked on the main page and an "an access control scheme was introduced" at Minsk State University is not a protest. Lots of filler in an article which wasn't that great to begin with and is time to come down. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Kinda ridiculous to tear things out of context like that. The people of Belarus strongly oppose another term of Lukashenko, there are strikes ongoing, including mine and hunger strikes. Major events have all been called off by Belarusian celebrities. Your quote only reflects the means undertaken to suppress discontent coming it from students and professors of major state universities. Everything aforementioned "is a protest" in my opinion. And, matter of fact, Strong oppose the removal. Also, yes, I'm allowed to change my mind. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 00:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep. Article is being updated frequently with relevant information. Sadly, it suffers from some WP:PROSELINE stylistic issues, but the article is otherwise well referenced, comprehensive, and most importantly, frequently updated with new information. There is both new information AND it is being added, which is sufficient for keeping the article at Ongoing. --Jayron32 11:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support removal It's just like the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor/Jacob Blake protests. Those protests are still ongoing and still occasionally make the news, but overall hype about the protests have died down outside of Belarus and Lithuania. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose removal – Still in the news, [18] [19] [20] still a serious political situation. – Sca (talk) 13:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment — Worth of a mention is the fact that in Russian Wikipedia, the timeline is still being updated on a daily basis. While most of those events are self-repeating, there is some interesting storywise development underway (e.g. sources mentioning the current EU debate on whom to consider the real head of state of Belarus). The problem is that I now seldom have time to update the timeline of the English article because it does take a considerable amount thereof to check Russian sources, translation, spelling etc. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Lukashenko was sworn in today in a surprise inauguration and the opposition has called for new protests. It's one of the top stories on the BBC. Johndavies837 (talk) 14:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose per above, very much still in the news and developing. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support removal per LaserLegs. "3 protests in 4 weeks is not regularly updated with new, pertinent information." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 17:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Three protests in four weeks? How about ten protests per country (one in each major city) every day? --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still in the news, still being updated.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per above. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose removal In addition to protests being ongoing, EU debates over sanctions are also ongoing with Cyprus being the lone holdout, last I checked. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 20:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Remove – The article quality has suffered significantly. The article has buckled under the weight of long-term exposure to the Main Page. --- C&C () 22:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support As one wise editor once said, "this [is a] atrocious WP:POV WP:COATRACK of an article." Dan the Animator 23:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dantheanimator: I'm pretty sure this is wrong, but that quote seems to be by LaserLegs, as he usually uses WP:COATRACK when opposing long articles. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
      • Destroyeraa it is LaserLegs and I agree, this article is a POV mess that gives undue weight to "crimes against humanity." I still stand with my support until article quality is improved. Dan the Animator 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
        • @Dantheanimator: I share the same opinion. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Mostly because I am becoming concerned about the article quality. While I'm not ready to call it a COATRACK, it is becoming bloated as every piece of anti-government news or claims seems to make it in. The photo gallery is also starting look a bit like a cheering section for the home team. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Is it still happening, yes. But is it any more ITN than the crap going on in Thailand/US/Turkey/Greece right now, no. Albertaont (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. What was happenning during the last month aside, Lukashenko's inauguration yesterday has already led to a major escalation in protests, violence and tension. This BBC article, Belarus: Mass protests after Lukashenko secretly sworn in says as smuch. The article notes: "In the capital Minsk protesters were more confrontational, blocking roads and at times chasing the police vehicles away. In response, water cannon was used and masked riot police used tactics that haven't been seen since the violent days immediately after the disputed election in August." And it concludes with: "During his inaugural address, Mr Lukashenko spoke as if the protests that followed the election were over. That's clearly not the case." We do need to take these new developments into account. Nsk92 (talk) 08:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news.. The Belarusian protests article is getting punctuated updates with a lot of filler in between. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is, there is unrest still going on. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is, the article is inadequately updated for being featured on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Except the article is being regularly updated every day or so, sometimes more often. See no true Scotsman and moving the goal posts. --Jayron32 17:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree Jayron32, but you and I disagree as to the pertinence of those updates to the subject. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Still oppose, as this topic is still in the news today, [21] [22] [23] and still is a festering thorn in Товарищ Putin's side. – Sca (talk) 13:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment still support article is still stale over it's run in the box and still a coatrack. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support seems to have run its course Chetsford (talk) 17:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
You really think so? How about what's been happening there since yesterday's inauguration of Lukashenko? [24] [25] [26] [27] Nsk92 (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
"How about what's been happening there since yesterday's inauguration of Lukashenko?" Protesters protesting? That happens every day all over the world. Nothing that warrants continued front page presence. In any case, the quality of the article isn't sufficient to appear on the front page. Chetsford (talk) 11:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still ongoing, don't seem to have scaled downed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Still festering. [28] [29] [30]Sca (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment still stale (unless a childrens program is the same as a mass protest) --LaserLegs (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

September 22[]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

(Stale) RD: Road Warrior Animal[]

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Road Warrior Animal (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox
Credits:

Article updated
 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article looks well-reffed and ready for RD. (I accidentally posted another RD submission for this under the September 24 banner, not realizing it was right here. To make up for that, I'll post this support right here.) DrewieStewie (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose many missing in-text refs. Dan the Animator 19:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per dantheanimator still missing many refs JW 1961 Talk 18:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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September 21[]

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Tommy DeVito[]

Article: Tommy DeVito (musician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Founding member and former guitarist of The Four Seasons. Covid related. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 18:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment Career section needs a few more refs (tagged) will change to Support when those are fixed JW 1961 Talk 09:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Changing to Support, thanks for the ping KittenKlub, yes it looks a lot better now thanks to Williamsdoritios JW 1961 Talk 21:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Support @Joseywales1961:. did a wonderful job adding the missing references, but left one. Anyway the article is now referenced, and I hope it's to your satisfaction. KittenKlub (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks clean and meets standards for WP:ITNRD. Nicely done. Ktin (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Article is ready. Dan the Animator 23:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 20:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Michael Lonsdale[]

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Michael Lonsdale (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: French-British actor. Article seems ready. Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article is far from ready. The films, and television sections are completely unsourced. There is no prose about his film roles even though his James Bond and The Day of the Jackal roles were signature roles. There is also his work as voice actor, his literary career. Basically the article is still very much a start, and not ready for ITN. KittenKlub (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose tagged, standard stuff here. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose although significantly improved since yesterday, it is still missing many in-text refs per above. Dan the Animator 23:40, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Robert Freeman Smith[]

Article: Robert Freeman Smith (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bend Bulletin, Mail Tribune
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American politician, served in the House of Representatives. On the short side, so I'll be adding content and filling in sources. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

  • OpposeSupport Much better! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment citation tags gone and family info added/referenced. PotentPotables (talk) 19:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Now that article has been fairly well sourced JW 1961 Talk 20:14, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per JW 1961. Article is ready for RD. Pinging @Destroyeraa: on update. Dan the Animator 21:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ang Rita Sherpa[]

Article: Ang Rita (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ang Rita Sherpa, who reached the summit of the Mount Everest ten times without the bottled oxygen dies aged 72. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ang Rita Sherpa, the first person to climb the Mount Everest ten times dies at the age of 72.
News source(s): BBC The Kathmandu Post
Credits:

Article updated

 --Special:Contributions/Chomolungma8848 (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. Firstly, welcome to WP:ITNC and thanks for this nomination here. I see that the article is tagged as a stub-class article. One of the requirements for an article to be featured on the homepage is that it needs to be a non stub-class article. So, this article will need to be expanded (atleast to a start-class) to be considered for homepage (and for WP:ITNRD). Ktin (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
    Very nice to see how this article evolved. Nicely done everyone! Ktin (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb not nearly important enough. Neutral on RD - it's close to well-enough sourced. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good faith nom - based on article quality. A stub article cannot be posted on the main page. In addition, I'm opposing the blurb because the subject is not nearly famous enough. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good faith nomination – thanks for the nomination, but the article will have to be a little longer (per Ktin) in order for it to appear on the main page. RPS is only 162 words, a bit too short for ITN. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support-- It meets the minimum quality requirements for the main page; I will continue to work on it for the next hour. Regards! (P.S. I have updated the nominator and updater fields in the nomination template; nominator field was empty.) Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
    Usedtobecool, Btw, seems like the article might need to be moved to Ang Rita, per this Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sherpa_Ang_Rita Ktin (talk) 03:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
    Ktin, the link that was referred to in the AFD looks neither an RS nor does it support removing Sherpa. Everything about that AFD, especially the title the article had at the time, suggests a possibility that people involved thought "sherpa" is the English word for porter. I am pretty sure the proper name is Ang Rita Sherpa and that's what RSes use. So, I would caution against moving back. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
    Ang Rita Sherpa is also his COMMONNAME, according to Google Ngrams. --- C&C () 07:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Microsoft purchasing ZeniMax Media[]

(non-admin closure) Closing - no consensus to post. Ktin (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Articles: ZeniMax Media (talk, history) and Microsoft (talk, history)
Blurb: Microsoft purchases ZeniMax Media for 7.5 billion U.S. Dollars. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Microsoft announces a deal to purchase ZeniMax Media for 7.5 billion U.S. Dollars.
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC, Financial Times
First article updated, second needs updating
Nominator's comments: We had precedents of posting major deals (valued at > ~5 bil dollars) and this is a big deal for the industry. Plus, regulatory approval isn't a factor. --212.74.201.241 (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose (and this from a VG editor). It is a major deal in the VG world, its what everyone in that field is talking about today, but in terms of world changing financial news, nope. It would take me more than one sentence to explain the significance and I feel that makes it beyond the scope of ITN (Also, this is the intent to buy, the deal not expected to close until second half of 2021). --Masem (t) 21:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
    Comment Added an altblurb to correct for my mistake there. Not sure if we need to explain the significance further for ITN, but let's see what other editors think. 212.74.201.241 (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose the ZeniMax article is "meh" quality and MS acquiring a AAA game foundry seems like an incremental step in the console wars. Per Masem above though it's a big deal in the field. I'll support if it'll get TES 6 released some time before 2025. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - It would take Microsoft buying Apple for an acquisition to make it to ITN. WaltCip-(talk) 00:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
It would take much more than that, even! A few months back US oil producers were willing to pay customers about $40k per truck to cart away crude, something that hasn't happened since the discovery of naphtha ca. 4000 BC. Still wasn't notable enough to post!130.233.2.170 () 05:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Is there any information re: significance of the deal? The nomination rationale hopefully is more than "we have precedents of posting major deals". That said, I did a quick and random search of the archives (non exhaustive, obviously) and here's a summary for anyone who wants a ready reckoner. Ktin (talk) 01:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
# Acquisition Deal Value Status Link
1 Microsoft acquisition of Linkedin $26.2B Posted [31]
2 Yahoo acquisition of Tumblr $1.1B Not Posted [32]
3 Bayer acquisition of Monsanto $66B Not Posted [33]
4 Verizon acquiring Vodafone's stake in Verizon wireless $130B Posted [34]
5 Nokia acquisition of Alcatel Lucent $16.6B Posted [35]

PS: Above table is not to be MIS-interpreted as me making the case for a co-relation between the size of the deal and us posting or not. In fact just by the above data points, one could make the case that there is NO co-relation. Anyways, posted a search from the archives if it helps anyone. Happy to delete the table. I have no opinion for or against this article. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

    • is the same as --LaserLegs (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Lol, it's enlightening to look through these old nominations to see if one has been consistent. (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
      • Is there a reason we are citing a nonexistent policy as policy? 331dot (talk) 07:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose mainly because I don't see it in the news much. It's there if I look for it, but not otherwise; it's only featured on finance websites. The news articles that do cover it refer to the company being bought as "Bethesda" as well, which is not a good sign for linking ZeniMax Media. (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I reverted the close not because I think this nomination shouldn't be closed, but because the close reason is naive. Microsoft cannot possibly buy Apple because Apple is bigger than Microsoft (Apple is currently worth ~$2 trillion, Microsoft ~$1.5 trillion). Similarly Microsoft buying Google is implausible, while Amazon buying Apple is impossible. (talk) 01:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ping Destroyeraa since it is your closure that I'm reverting. (talk) 01:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Topic is in the news (I have added a FT source to the nom), companies are apparently notable ones that would be familiar to readers, and contra above I feel that both articles are in good shape. The MSFT article needs to be updated, however.130.233.2.170 () 05:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support – Some quality IPs involved in this takeover, including The Elder Scrolls and Fallout from Bethesda with 59 and 33 million lifetime sales, respectively, and Doom from id Software which jumpstarted the first-person shooter genre. The video game industry in general is not well-represented at ITN...e-sports aren't included at ITN/R even tho it has a wider audience than a certain boat race. I guess that one is a discussion for a diff place tho so I digress. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. Though in the news, not much significance or impact on people except those in the affected companies and videogamers.~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Masem, Destroyeraa. Lacks broad significance. – Sca (talk) 14:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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(Stale) RD: Bob Nevin[]

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Bob Nevin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [36]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is in decent shape. The orange tag may not be necessary. Dan the Animator 23:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Could still use more sourcing. The lengthy career section is supported exclusively by a list of his career stats, which doesn't back up much of what's said. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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References[]

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  1. Sitapati, Vinay. "How Isher Judge Ahluwalia broke into the male-dominated, Anglicised world of economists". Scroll.in. Retrieved 2020-09-27.