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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
1 1
3 2
3 1
5 1
7 2
6 3
5 2
1 1
5 2
11 4
9 4
6 2
8 2
8 2
8 1
4 1
5 1
7 4
11 4
5 1
12 3
4 1
16 8
11 3
9 3
6 2
15 5
18 7
12 2
16 7
9 2
8 1
Total 335 85
Last updated 14:55, 4 July 2020 UTC
Current time is 14:58, 4 July 2020 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination[]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[]

Instructions for other editors[]

How to promote an accepted hook[]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on March 7[]

Michela Gallagher

  • ... that neuroscientist Michela Gallagher identified the epilepsy drug levetiracetam as a candidate to reduce mild cognitive impairment in patients with Alzheimer's disease? source, MEDRS-compliant confirmation in Setti which is now cited : "Pharmaceuticals that attenuate this excess activation, such as the anti-epileptic drug levetiracetem [note this is a misspelling, em for am], can dose-dependently improve memory in aged rats (Koh, Haberman, Foti, McCown, & Gallagher, 2010) and reduce both hippocampal hyperactivity and memory impairments in patients with aMCI, as indicated by decreased BOLD activation (Bakker et al., 2012)." [Baker is also co-authored by Gallagher]. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
    • ALT1:... that neuroscientist Michela Gallagher found that hyperactivity in the hippocampus of rats caused them to have a worse memory? source Confirmed in McGarrity which is now cited : "Moreover, our findings support recent studies in humans and rodent models linking hippocampal overactivity and hyperexcitability to age-related memory deficits" citing (Koh, Haberman, Foti, McCown, & Gallagher, 2010; Bakker, Krauss, Albert, Speck, Jones, Stark, Yassa, Bassett, Shelton, Gallagher, 2012)

Created by Achaea (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 7 March 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough, nominated in time. QPQ done. Article is not negative. Hooks are both concise and interesting. The main hook needs more wikilinks, at least to the two diseases.
  • However, I think the sourcing needs work throughout eg newsletters and ScienceDaily summaries are not considered sufficiently reliable to make claims, particularly relating to medical topics, which must be supported by WP:MEDRS-compliant sources. Given the sourcing quality, there is a problem with making claims and talking about what her company is doing without promotion. Gallagher's research seems highly cited and should be treated in depth in much more reliable sources.
  • The source for the main hook does not seem to meet MEDRS requirements, which would be necessary to talk about a drug for use in humans. Alt1 is supported by a newsletter from Johns Hopkins, which is not sufficiently independent to make a claim.
  • Earwig[1] found some minor overlap with [2] and other sources, which could do with rephrasing.
  • Another problem I see is that the article is rather stub-like, and not fully wikified. It's not always easy to find year of birth and country of birth (if American, why go to UCL?) for living scientists who shun the limelight, but without those key biographical elements it feels less a biography than a career summary and company profile. You should link her Johns Hopkins home page [3], CV [4] and Google Scholar profile [5]. I did find a few tidbits from a brief web browse:
  • She served as Editor-in-Chief of Behavioral Neuroscience 1995–2001 (CV & [6]) -- the latter article has more on her research c. 2001
  • Per her CV, she's also an elected fellow of several societies, which should be included, especially if an independent source can be located.
  • She originally studied fine arts[7]
  • She was one of the first two women to graduate from Colgate University and was the first woman to get a PhD there.[8] (and above)
  • Past Chair of Johns Hopkins Department of Psychological and Brain Science & Vice Provost of Academic Affairs and Faculty for 4 yrs (as above)
Espresso Addict (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Espresso Addict: Thanks for the review, I'll try to address your points asap. I'm don't think WP:MEDRS is really applicable here, because it is about what science she does, rather than saying that the claims are true. I can add her own articles on the studies, but these would not count as secondary sources for the scientist, only for the topic (e.g. can use them in the mild cognitive impairment article). I'm happy to just go with the second ALT though, if you're worried about the first one. Also, all the overlap on Earwig are names of her position or of the prizes she's won, I really cannot rephrase those things, as they are just simply names.
I will have a look of adding in that information, obvious you are also welcome to. However, the article is long enough and a start article, so following the rules of DYK, that shouldn't be a reason to stop the DYK, right? Thanks! Achaea (talk) 11:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Espresso Addict: Have added in the information that I could find sources for and a few more medical sources. Achaea (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Some very nice suggestions. While they are not necessary for DYK, I have added them because it makes for a very interesting article. Thanks to the original editor for starting this :-) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As the article has been expanded to over twice its original size at the time of review, a new review is needed to see where the article stands as regards the original issues and whether there are issues with any of the new material. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I might do a full review later, but from a glance, the article's sourcing has been cleared up and it reads better. Looks like quite a nice article. Kingsif (talk) 20:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg There are still some problems. I agree with the previous reviewer, and disagree with the nominator, that MEDRS is relevant here. Yes, the article is about what Gallagher has done, but the subject of her research is of enormous interest to a very large number of people. We need to be extremely careful to distinguish what Gallagher is claiming from what is widely accepted to be correct.
    • AGF previous review on newness, length, and QPQ
    • The ScienceDaily source is still in the article. This is supporting a sentence also supported by another source. Part of that sentence makes a claim about Gallagher's area of research; that does not require a MEDRS (but it does require a BLP compliant source). Part makes a claim about the relation between the hippocampus and Alzheimer's (MEDRS needed). Part makes a claim about mild cognitive impairment (MEDRS needed). It is entirely unclear which source supports which parts.
      • moved non-MEDRS source, added MEDRS compliant source
    • The Psychiatry Newsletter source is still in the article. It supports two claims. One is a claim about Gallagher's findings; a MEDRS is required agreeing that that is what she found (there is a difference between what Gallagher found, and what she claims she found). The second is a straight medical claim.
      • added MEDRS compliant source
    • Both hooks are cited to non-MEDRS. If there are MEDRS discussing Gallagher's research, these should be used instead. If she is currently out on a limb by herself, then sorry, we shouldn't be announcing her findings on the front page. It may be safer to use a hook that is less cutting edge, such as her learning indices, but the issue still would need fixing in the article.
    • On copyvio, the only thing Earwig is throwing up is the sentence "These measures have had a significant impact in the field", which is not too serious, but no reason not to fix it. SpinningSpark 12:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
      • rephrased
  • Nominator Espresso Addict Achaea has not edited on Wikipedia since April 4, so it seems unlikely that they will be addressing the issues Spinningspark has raised. Since Mary Mark Ockerbloom has done some work on the article already, I'm pinging her to see whether she was interested in working on these issues. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset:, Thanks for tagging me again; I meant to come back to this. I have made modifications as noted above. I've added MEDRS compliant sources but also left in the non-MEDRS sources because they are often easier for non-specialists to understand. If someone prefers to remove the non-MEDRS sources, I will accept that. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Achaea, I'm very glad to read that you're recovering; I hope that recovery accelerates soon. Mary Mark Ockerbloom, thanks for taking this on and helping out. Spinningspark, are we there yet, or is there more that needs to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
  • The article seems to have been somewhat "cite bombed" since I last looked at it in response to my bullet #3 (on Psychiatry News). Are all of them really needed to sythesise the cited facts? Despite all those additions, the non-MEDRS source is still in the article. If the new sources support the claims, then it is not needed. If they don't, then there is still a problem. Both hooks now have MEDRS sources, but the qoutes provided do not support the claim that these were Gallagher's discoveries. In ALT0, for instance, the Letti source cites a paper co-authored by Gallagher (her name does not even come first in a long list of authors) but we need the source to say directly that Gallagher was responsible before that can be a DYK fact. SpinningSpark 18:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Achaea, Mary Mark Ockerbloom, this nomination has been open for well over three months, and the most recent comments are about four weeks old with nothing done to address them. We need to see progress before the end of June if this is going to remain open. Thank you for your attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:51, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Sorry for my prolonged absence. Thanks Mary Mark Ockerbloom for adding in those WP:MEDRS sources. I have looked at the cite-bombing User:Spinningspark mentioned, and have removed that non-MEDRS source. Can I proposed to rephrase the hooks as follows, and propose a non-MEDRS hook as an alternative. Again sorry for my disappearance from this discussion! Achaea (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that neuroscientist Michela Gallagher's research group showed that the epilepsy drug levetiracetam as a candidate to reduce mild cognitive impairment in patients with Alzheimer's disease? Source: Setti "Pharmaceuticals that attenuate this excess activation, such as the anti-epileptic drug levetiracetem [note this is a misspelling, em for am], can dose-dependently improve memory in aged rats (Koh, Haberman, Foti, McCown, & Gallagher, 2010) and reduce both hippocampal hyperactivity and memory impairments in patients with aMCI, as indicated by decreased BOLD activation (Bakker et al., 2012)." Given Gallagher is last author on both these papers, I think it's fair to say that she was the PI on these projects.
ALT1a:... that neuroscientist Michela Gallagher was involved in a study showing that hyperactivity in the hippocampus of rats caused them to have a worse memory? Source: McGarrity "Moreover, our findings support recent studies in humans and rodent models linking hippocampal overactivity and hyperexcitability to age-related memory deficits" citing (Koh, Haberman, Foti, McCown, & Gallagher, 2010; Bakker, Krauss, Albert, Speck, Jones, Stark, Yassa, Bassett, Shelton, Gallagher, 2012)
ALT2:... that neuroscientist Michela Gallagher started the company AgeneBio, which focuses on research on possible treatments for patients with mild cognitive impairment? source: Scientific American which says: "Gallagher started a company, AgeneBio, that is now recruiting 830 subjects for a phase 3 clinical trial using a specially formulated low-dose version of the drug. Patients with the type of mild cognitive impairment that precedes Alzheimer’s will take the drug for a year and a half to “crank down the neural activity,” said Gallagher".

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg listing at WT:DYK for review of new hooks. (This is not a subject I am interested in reviewing myself) Flibirigit (talk) 06:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 24[]

Coronavirus recession

  • ... that due to the coronavirus recession, almost 80 countries have asked the IMF for help before May 2020? [9] Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Sa.vakilian (talk). Self-nominated at 11:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date and length fine. However there are several problems with the article. It has several citation needed tags and tags on the header. There is also the big problem of the merger proposal which means @Sa.vakilian: it cannot proceed until all tags have been removed. Once the merge debate is ended and the citing is fixed (the citations are a bit messy too I'll add), then ping me and I'll have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The article's title has not been established by reliable sources. As of now, I could not see this article passing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 23:40, 31 March 2020Seyyed(t-c) 04:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC) (UTC)
@The C of E: All of the tags exept one of them has been removed. Can you please check it again. Of course, we can find a better DYK.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
@Sa.vakilian: All tags need to be removed before this can proceed. I've also noticed after a recheck that the Coronavirus pandemic subsection under the Causes section is a complete copy and paste from 2019-20 Coronavirus pandemic's opening paragraph. That is not allowed under rule 1.b of DYK rules and will need to be reworded or deleted and also casts suspicion on the rest of the article. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I have not checked all of it but I think most of it is not copy from the other articles.Seyyed(t-c) 15:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
You wrote it, how do you not know if you copied anything? It cannot include any copied work from other articles. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@The C of E: I have written some part of it and I ask other participants to answer you here. Seyyed(t-c) 04:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Keepcalmandchill:@Capewearer: Hi, as major contributors in coronavirus recession, please participate in this discussion and help us to have DYK on the main page.Seyyed(t-c) 04:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@user:Keepcalmandchill and @user:Capewearer Hi, as major contributors in coronavirus recession, please participate in this discussion and help us to have DYK on the main page.Seyyed(t-c) 08:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of the nomination. Please don't keep pinging me about it. Capewearer (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg While the merge proposal is ongoing, the nomination is temporarily on hold. If the article survives intact, then a new review will be needed: the nominator's only significant edit to the article was in creating a 2715 prose character article, which has since grown to 38951 prose characters. There doesn't seem to have been overlap between the articles in the initially created article—the Causes section was a later addition, so any direct copying within Wikipedia was after and beyond the minimum 1500 prose character creation. If there were copied sections, they ought to have been mentioned on the article talk page (I didn't see any mentions in the edit summaries), but running Duplication Detector, there aren't very many exact strings of words left between the two articles after two months of editing. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Listing at WT:DYK for a new review or follow-up. The move/merge discussion ended with this article staying where it is. Courtesy @The C of E: as per wishes listed above. Flibirigit (talk) 06:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - I can't find the hook in the article, but it is sourced to a reliable source.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Launchballer 17:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 12[]

O sacrum convivium!

Messiaen in 1937
Messiaen in 1937

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. There is close paraphrasing in the article which needs to be put in quotes or rewritten in your own words:
  • Source: unlike nearly all of his contemporaries, held an unshakable Catholic faith throughout his entire life
  • Article: unlike many contemporaries, held an unshakeable faith throughout his entire life
  • It seems that other phrases are pulled directly from the sources; I think you should go over them one by one and put in quotes any unusual wording, as I did with superhuman love. The cite for this sentence: Even though it is one of the composer's best-known works, he declared later that it was not representative of his compositional style. (footnote 4) does not verify anything.
  • All the book sources need page numbers. The hook facts about him being 29 and writing the composition in Latin need inline cites. The image is very clear and public domain. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 05:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I rephrased it in more chronological order. Ron? - The text - like all Catholic liturgical music is in Latin. Would we need a cite that Gloria is in Latin? Same for his age, calculating from date of birth, which source do we expect? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Ron, you may have to move or duplicate refs for the different order of facts, commission first. - Trimming the hook: drop the age as we are not sure about the date anyway, drop Latin, because if a reader doesn't see/know that it's Latin, s/he may not be interested in the whole thing. 1937 makes for a better match of pic and hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that O sacrum convivium!, an offertory motet for four-part choir probably completed by Olivier Messiaen (pictured) in 1937, remained his only work for the Catholic liturgy?
  • I really wouldn't know how to rephrase it, but Messiaen was Catholic and a large portion of his works deals with religious topics. Including that would make for a much more interesting hook, in my opinion. Ron Oliver (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately, close paraphrasing still remains in the article; indeed, the first printing of 1000 copies was not exhausted until the mid-1950s is a direct copy from the source. Yoninah requested that more work be done in this area, and still more is clearly needed. There are other issues in general: the block quote in Composition makes no sense where it is: I started reading it thinking it was contemporaneous with O sacrum convivium, only it turned out to be written 27 years later. I'd suggest a better lead-in, and perhaps summarizing the letter rather than reprinting the whole thing, perhaps with a representative quote or two. While I've made some textual changes for clarity, I think more are needed; "religious intentions", for example, is quite vague. Pinging Gerda Arendt and Ron Oliver. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I apologize for the delay. I have changed the direct quote from the source. I believe the block quote is important and should not be summarized. Messiaen offered an explanation for why he never chose to write works that were intended for liturgy, which is exactly what is brought up in the previous sentence. It was indeed written 27 years later, which is stated on the name of the source below the quote itself. I cannot see why that is a problem. Gerda Arendt? Ron Oliver (talk) 07:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There are still no page numbers for the book refs. Yoninah (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ron Oliver: thank you, and I added a few more. I added a "citation needed" tag in one place. Regarding ALT1, the article doesn't mention Catholic liturgy. Yoninah (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
  • It's been 2 weeks since my last post. If the issues aren't addressed by June 21, this nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Pinging nominator Gerda Arendt, and repinging Ron Oliver. It would be a shame for this not to proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
    I'd love to help but can't read the mostly French sources. For France, Catholicism is the default denomination, - when they say liturgy, they mean Catholic, - what can we do there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
    Found this, saying only liturgical motet, - and without being liturgical, why would it be in Latin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
    This says so (p. 18), but would a thesis be reliable enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I agree with this. He was a Catholic, and liturgy is mentioned in the article. I'll be more specific there. Ron Oliver (talk) 15:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 17[]

T. F. Secor

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self-nominated at 13:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC).

  • Just a quick comment: I was wondering if anything else could be said about Secor as it's not unique for wealthy individuals to leave $1 million fortunes, even engineers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, $1 million was a lot of money to accumulate in 1901 - even Cornelius Vanderbilt, who is usually placed as the second or third wealthiest American in history, had a fortune of only $105 million - about $2.5 billion in today's money, which wouldn't even get him close to being on the world's richest 500 list today. Also, if you take Secor's fortune as a share of total national GDP at the time, which is how Vanderbilt's wealth is often calculated for comparative purposes, $1 million in 1901 would be the equivalent of $953,000,000 today. Gatoclass (talk) 18:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Even if that were the case, that probably means the hook won't be as hooky to a reader unless they were aware of the context of the times. Perhaps a different hook fact could be discussed here instead? Looking at the article again, there do appear to be some information about his life that isn't reliant on the fortune. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Like what, Narutolovehinata5? Gatoclass (talk) 06:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps something about his company's shipbuilding activities, such as the boats and engines they built before and during the Civil War? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg New article is 6,749 characters long and nominated on the same day as creation. No copyvios detected and no close paraphrasing issues spotted. Article is well-sourced. Hook is 191 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Refs 4, 5, 6, and 8 (all verifying the hook) are reliable sources (AGF ref 8 from NYT which is behind paywall). QPQ done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Thank you for the review Bloom, but after Narutolovehinata5's comments, I decided that I should come up with a better hook, which will entail writing a companion article to make this a double nomination, which I'm hoping to get done in the next few days. My apologies for not adding a note to this effect earlier - but I'm sure your review will still count as a valid QPQ if you need one regardless. Gatoclass (talk) 15:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • No worries, Gatoclass. Feel free to ping me when you've got the second article and I'll be more than happy to review that one too. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Time flies Narutolovehinata5 - faster than ever it seems lately.
I haven't been able to get back to this because, firstly, I recently bit off more than I could chew by starting 10 GAN reviews plus two GANs of my own in a futile attempt to stay in the Wikicup, and am now obliged to complete those reviews as a priority, and secondly, because real life unexpectedly became very busy a week or two ago and will remain so at least until the end of the month. So I've had to put this one on the backburner for a bit. I still expect to get back to it in the not-too-distant future, but am not quite ready to do so yet. Apologies for any inconvenience. Gatoclass (talk) 13:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Gatoclass: Just leave a message or inform the reviewers once you're ready to work on this again. If things get too difficult and continuing the nomination within a reasonable amount of time becomes unfeasible, let people know here too. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes Narutolovehinata5, nothing has changed since my last comment, I am still busy off-wiki and I still have five outstanding GAN reviews to complete which have to be my priority here. However, I am working on a companion article for this nomination in the little bit of spare time I have. I could of course have whipped up a quick companion article in the space of a few hours which would have met the criteria, but I like my DYK nominations to be worthwhile for the reader, and that requires considerably more work and time. Gatoclass (talk) 03:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
As the nomination has been open since April, things will probably need to be finished soon. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: Please indicate when you intend to continue the nomination. This is now one of the oldest remaining nominations and there has been little progress since early May. If a double article hook is not forthcoming, the nomination can be approved with the original hook, or it can be withdrawn. Courtesy ping to the original reviewer Bloom6132. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt1 ... that New York marine engineer T. F. Secor rose from being a machinists apprentice to lead one of the leading American marine engineering facilities of his day. --evrik (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2020 (UTC) --evrik (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you evrik, but I said I was going to write a companion article for this nomination and still intend to do so. I have been extremely busy off-wiki for the last couple of weeks but am now ready to return to editing. I should have the article ready within the week. Gatoclass (talk) 13:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: It has been over a week since your last comment. As this is now the fourth oldest hook, this may be closed as stale soon unless the second article has been done and nominated, or if there is agreement to only stick to a one-article hook about Secor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, unfortunately I had some more holdups this week; however, I managed to get back to editing late in the week and the companion article is almost done; I will be moving it to mainspace early next week, at which time I will propose the alt hook for both nominations. Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 30[]

Beyond Live

  • ... that in April 2020, SuperM played live to virtual crowd of over 75,000 paid real-time viewers from 109 countries, in the kick-off concert of the world's first high-tech online-dedicated concert series Beyond LIVE?
ALT 1: Over 75,000 viewers from 109 countries bought tickets for the first live concert of the the innovative full-sized online-dedicated concert series launched in April 2020?
ALT 2: The first full-sized online-dedicated concert series supported by advanced technology including augmented reality tech and three-dimensional backdrops graphics was launched in April 2020?

Sources: "With over 75,000 paid viewers checking out the event from 109 countries, the inaugural Beyond Live concert streaming event earned upwards of $2 million USD from virtual ticketing..." from Forbes
"Their live stream marks the first show in SM Entertainment's ground-breaking broadcast concert series Beyond LIVE, which features a wide array of camera shots, 3D backdrop graphics, augmented reality that's never been experimented on online concerts...' from Billboard

"While a number of artists have been streaming performances from home or re-broadcasting old concert footage, “Beyond LIVE” is the first attempt to replicate a new, full-sized arena show online." from Rolling Stone
"On Sunday afternoon, K-pop boy band SuperM thrilled fans in 109 countries with a spectacular live online performance, paving the way for a future of paid concerts...marked a new era of live concerts with state-of-the-art AR technology and real-time communication amid the coronavirus outbreak" from ABC News

Created by PeaceNT (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough, and has no major issues, though the tone does teeter on being a bit promotional, especially with phrases like "the first ... in the world" and "advanced technology" in the lead. "Full-length online-dedicated concerts combined with artists-to-audience real-time online interactions" sounds rather like it's repeating the company's promotional description. The article cites the Forbes articles a lot, but they are Forbes contributor articles, and are considered self-published sources. QPQ exempted as the user's first DYK nom. The first suggested hook is too long, and Alt1 and Alt2 sound too promotional (as above, "innovative" and "advanced technology" don't read as neutral). Also, the piping of the subject title in Alt1 and Alt2 also doesn't seem warranted. I'd suggest rewording Alt1 to mention the subject without piping and to remove the excessive adjectives. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Since the nominator doesn't appear to be currently active and it's been two weeks without further comment on the issues, this can probably closed as a failed nomination. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol delete vote.svg Nomination has gone stale. Marking for closure. Flibirigit (talk) 23:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Zamia pygmaea

An illustration of Zamia pygmaea
An illustration of Zamia pygmaea
  • ... that Zamia pygmaea (pictured) is the smallest gymnosperm cycad? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that less than 250 individuals of Zamia pygmaea (pictured) are left? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: I still have to review another nomination and I'll post it here when it's done.

5x expanded by Ankit2299 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 13:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

  • I see quite a few issues here. First, the numerous citation needed tags. Second, I think the Britannica source should ideally be linked to the exact page from where the info comes [10], and it says Zamia pygmaea, the smallest cycad, has leaves about 20–30 centimetres long. The smallest "cycad", not the smallest "gymnosperm", of which cycads are just a kind. ALT1 hook is verified by the IUCN source, but the citation needs to properly formatted using Template:Cite iucn, as it is the link does not go to the right webpage. Plus, the Pradeep Publications source (actually duplicated in the article) don't look at all reliable to me. I am an Indian student who has used these books in her high school years for exams, and I know they are not well-researched and suitable as sources for an encyclopedia. Third, there is some close paraphrasing in places which can be fixed with some rewording and rearrangement, see the comparison here [11]. Other concerns to be fixed before the article makes a main page appearance are italicizing the scientific names in the references (and in some places in the article body) plus some necessary text formatting (for example "Conservation efforts in place are" won't be a good way to write, rather this and the next two lines should be put together to form a continuous paragraph). Sorry but we need quite some work here before this can be promoted. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 13:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sainsf: The nominator hasn't edited since the day they nominated this, and the issues remain unaddressed. If the nominator is unable to return soon, this may need to be marked for closure, although it can proceed if another editor adopts this: perhaps Cwmhiraeth might be willing to give this a look? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: right. I could try to make these fixes myself but I am not great at writing plant articles. Let us see what the DYK coordinators suggest. Cheers, Sainsf (t · c) 08:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sainsf: I have made most of the fixes mentioned above and ALT1 looks OK, so would you like to have a look at this nomination? I don't think a QPQ is needd. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Cwmhiraeth, thank you for your efforts, the changes made should suffice if we are going ahead with ALT1. You are right about the QPQ, I assumed it was necessary as the nominator said they will be doing one. Good to go! Sainsf (t · c) 09:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT0 without the picture. Please provide a cite for the common name in the lead. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Added cite as requested above. Problem with ALT0 is that it's not entirely true. The dimensions stated only pertain to a few stunted individual plants growing in pure white sand at a location on Isla de la Juventud (the former Z. silicea). Also the description is misquoted, I'll correct that now. Leo Breman (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Leo Breman: OK, let us know when you're done. I struck ALT0. I think you should propose a better "hook" that will make readers want to click on the article to read more. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Um, sorry, I was about to turn in and wouldn't be around for a while. I fixed the misquote (20 leaves, not 20cm leaves) and modified the statement about smallest cycad for accuracy. I've never proposed a "hook" before, maybe someone else could do it? ALT1... I haven't read the research, can't say much about it. I do note the new IUCN red list narrative clashes enormously with previous published info from Cuban researchers in the 1990s (rare, but not threatened). Cheers, Leo Breman (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg You seem to be telling us that there are inaccuracies in the article. It sounds like it's not ready for the main page until someone looks it over and cleans it up. Meanwhile, I'm returning this to WP:DYKN in the hopes that one of our editors will come up with a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Would an attribute revision of ALT1 work? Perhaps instead of giving the ALT1 information as a sure fact, there could be some form of attribution? Something like "... that it has been estimated that there are less than 250 remaining specimens..."? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
  • The IUCN's website is currently under maintenance so I couldn't check the current status of the species, and it's always possible that (based on what's mentioned in the article) that things changed between the research done in the 1990s and its current classification. Is the issue with ALT1 the question on whether it is endangered or not, or the number of individuals? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Another hook idea:
  • ALT2: ... that the red dwarf cycad, which grows only in Cuba, changes drastically under cultivation, producing more and larger leaves and larger stems? Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg ALT2 relies on three sources, one of which is a journal article. The other two don't seem quite as reliable for the topic: one (for the only-in-Cuba claim) is a Dominican website using its own editorial group - raising the questions why wouldn't an official Cuban body have this information? - and the other (for the larger plant claims) is a US website that is referred to in the article as "one US website", suggesting it might not be that notable in the plant world. There's also a question why the journal that mentioned it changes with cultivation wouldn't include this? I'd like to hear more about these sources to know it's all accurate information. Kingsif (talk) 10:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 5[]

Macuto Bay raid

  • ... that an American sought donations from Venezuelan migrants to fund his attempted invasion into the country? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that an American claimed he sought donations from Venezuelan migrants to fund his attempted invasion into the country? Source: "Goudreau said he never received a penny from the Guaidó team and instead the Venezuelan soldiers he was advising had to scrounge for donations from Venezuelan migrants driving for car share service Uber in Colombia." (AP [12])
  • Reviewed: WYCB
  • Comment: Note that there's a potentially controversial move discussion ongoing. Move discussion closed -- reviewer Bri

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 16:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment This event is so bizarre that I'm confident that there are plenty of alternative hooks that can be considered, if any user disagrees with the current one. --Jamez42 (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, agreed. We have to find a better one. --cyrfaw (talk) 19:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Remember it has to be neutral and indisputable. Kingsif (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Noted. --cyrfaw (talk) 11:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Reviewer's notes – Newness OK, created May 5 and nominated May 8 · Length OK, 51 kB >1,500 · Sourcing: 141 sources nearly one per sentence, no controversial statements or quotes unsourced · Passes Earwig's copyvio detector · QPQ good, WYCB promoted by Yoninah 12 January · Hook cited to Time after discussion 27 May

See comments above. One might note that the claimed seized condoms could be considered military purpose, as are sometimes used to prevent water from entering gun barrels. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I note that the move discussion closed, but there is an open RfC on the talkpage of neutrality in the section Analysis especially about the use of the term "coup attempt", and the section is still marked POV. I don't see an intractable problem here, and consensus appears to have formed around "keep and rework". Not a showsotpper for DYK in my opinion, in fact more readers might help to reformulate it as requested. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Proposed ALT1 to ensure NPOV in the hook. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Bri, ALT1 is fine (and such a minor change I don't think we need another reviewer). The sources do get mixed up - did you fix it in the article as well, or should I do that? Kingsif (talk) 04:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I did not edit the article. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@Bri: The article is using the AP article, but at the AP rather than TIME. Is the hook good and everything? Kingsif (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think they are the same story. I referenced AP May 4 by Goodman and Smith (via Time). Don't see that same AP story in the article. Citation for the sentence Goudreau stated the operation was forced to rely on "donations from Venezuelan migrants driving for car share service Uber in Colombia" because he was not paid by Guaidó's team is dated May 6 and doesn't mention migrants. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bri: Yes - they used the same headline - changed it now. Kingsif (talk) 01:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Looks good, I marked this as passing the DYK criteria. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks --cyrfaw (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg @Kingsif: Thanks for the page history. Actually, I'm now searching on the Operation Gideon history and I see you in the May 6th edits; I was looking on an earlier page. Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 11:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg@Kingsif: Back again. Neither footnotes 8 or 49 verify the information that's cited to them, which is the hook fact. There's also a tag on text under Colombia. Yoninah (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: That would be the link the reviewer told me to replace above. I'd have to find the edit to see which ref was removed and check if it was actually correct. The article may have been updated since the start of May, too. Kingsif (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Kingsif, it's been a while. If the footnotes don't support the hook fact, then either this needs a new hook dependent on different facts, or new sourcing that support the hook fact. Thanks for taking care of this. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I think a change of hook is in order, if there's now only one source (sensitive topic). It's not the simplest article to write an appropriate hook for, I just thought the American angle was interesting. I'll see what I can do, but may withdraw if there's nothing both interesting and water-tight. Kingsif (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 8[]

Another Holocaust

Converted from a redirect by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg @Buidhe: New enough, long enough, QPQ done, copyvio 26.5%, interesting hooks, but here are my concerns:
  • Ref 15 should cite The Times of Israel instead of www.timesofisrael.com.
  • ALT1 has WP:NPOV issues. For the article to be neutral, you should also explain why Pence made these accusations instead of just a one-sentence quote.
  • I'd go with ALT0, but it needs some work. I'd propose it as ALT0a: ... that Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin claimed that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor? I'd also suggest adding a picture of Begin to the article and this proposal.
  • Not related to DYK, but the photo of Bridget Loves Bernie doesn't belong in the article because it isn't mentioned in the prose and doesn't enhance the reader's understanding.
Let me know with a ping when you've addressed these concerns. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 19:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  1. Wikipedia:Did you know/Citation says nothing about such minor details in citations.
  2. Fine, that's why I provided 3 hooks.
  3. Why did you strike ALT0? WP:DYKHOOK does not require links other than the one to the featured article. 3 links in one hooks is too many imo.
  • I appreciate constructive suggestions, but please keep them separate from comments that are related to the DYK criteria and eligibility of the article and hook. buidhe 21:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@Buidhe: The point was that you did not introduce who Menachem Begin was, so that hook has no context. Again, neutrality issues still haven't been addressed; that pertains to the article, not just the hooks. Also, I perceived the incorrect citation as bordering a bare URL, my mistake. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 21:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I fail to see how the absense of context could be a WP:NPOV issue, which "means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Nevertheless, I've added some. I also do not see how what Begin looks like would be remotely relevant to the article or the hook. I wouldn't object to ALT0a with minor modifications: ALT0b: "... that Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin said that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor?" but I also do not see anything wrong with the original hook. buidhe 21:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@Buidhe: Because Pence claiming that Iran wants "Another Holocaust" is a clearly loaded statement that definitely required context. Why are you so opposed to wikilinks to Begin and Operation Opera? Read MOS:LINK, it makes it easier for readers to find information which is what we want to do. The photo of Begin would be because he is the subject of the quote, as is typical for DYK. It would also make your DYK eligible for a top spot, but it's okay to not want that. Also... you say you appreciate the constructive criticism but have kept the irrelevant photo in the article and you haven't fixed the one incorrect citation. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 22:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 10[]

Burchell Whiteman

5x expanded by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - The cited source implies that he was the top student in Clarendon, but it may not be the case. I suppose the hook can be at least as cautious as the source on this.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Just the hook being cautious on him being the top student in Clarendon, just as the same way the source is. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Howard the Duck, thanks for the review, but I don't quite agree. The source says "which means he was the top student for Clarendon", so that's unambiguous (as opposed to "which suggests", etc.). I wouldn't second-guess what the source is literally saying (that "it may not be the case") In any case I don't know how cautious the reworded hook can be, never mind that its original wording is verifiable, without sounding awkward. Kingoflettuce (talk) 08:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I suppose a short explanation of him attending Munro College on a government scholarship means he was considered the top student of the county. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:58, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
In the hook? I just find it a mouthful and it doesn't change that at the end of the day the source does unambiguously say that he was the top student. Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for being unclear. I was referring to explaining this on the article per se. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
It's apparent User:Kingoflettuce won't do the request. I'll let another person chime in. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:27, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
More of a comment than a review, but I'm not so sure about the hook interest. Being a top student in a place is a remarkable achievement, but also fairly common place and doesn't seem to make a good hook if it refers to a fairly obscure location. There's probably still potential for the hook fact, but at the very least it could be reworded to make it more appealing, like perhaps he got a scholarship because of it. Is it also known if the scholarship was the reason he entered politics? If it was, that might work better as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Being the top student in some obscure place is not interesting. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Interestingness is subjective, as is obscurity. WP:BIAS? Happy to entertain any ALTs in any case Kingoflettuce (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Was he already planning to enter politics from the start, or was the scholarship his inspiration for that career path? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There really is little to work with in the article at present, which is little more than a list of his positions and awards. I have dug up some sources on his views, which would help make a good hook. I listed some sources on the article talk page. Yoninah (talk) 17:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Yoninah: have you found anything? I think the Clarendon fact is interesting enough to carry a hook, but if you have more options now we can go from there. Kingsif (talk) 11:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: I provided those sources for the nominator. He needs to come back to this nomination so it won't be closed as stale. Yoninah (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I will note that there hasn't actually been a formal re-review, but both the original reviewer and Kingsif seem generally happy with the original hook. Kingoflettuce (talk) 06:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Considering there has been disagreement over the hook's suitability, new wordings and hooks may still need to be proposed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Question: just WHO exactly is doing the review (and is therefore the arbiter of what's interesting or not)? Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The primary reviewer is Howard the Duck, but any editor can comment on their thoughts on the article and hooks. Nominations still need to follow consensus of editors when applicable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 11[]

Hebraization of Palestinian place names

  • ... that there is a recent trend to reverse the Hebraization of street names in mixed Jewish-Arab cities in Israel? Source: Rekhess, Elie. “The Arab Minority in Israel: Reconsidering the ‘1948 Paradigm.’” Israel Studies, vol. 19, no. 2, 2014, pp. 187–217. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/10.2979/israelstudies.19.2.187; "A new trend that has become particularly popular in recent years in mixed Jewish-Arab cities, is attempts to restore original Arabic street names, “Hebraized” after 1948."

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC). comment

  • Comment There are few problems in the article there are active discussions on the talk page --Shrike (talk) 08:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Shrike: Can you advise when the article has reached a stable version? Also, @Onceinawhile: I think more Alt hooks would help this get passed. A QPQ is still needed. --evrik (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ done now. Article new and long enough; though plenty of inline citations the references seem to still need work. The hook fact only appears in the lead, and at least one of its two sources seem to have some bias in its report (the other is inaccessible). Still needs work. Kingsif (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Czechoslovak myth

  • ... that the myth of Czechoslovakia as "a welcoming and tolerant place for Jews" was exploited by Czechoslovak politicians?
    • ALT1:... that the Czechoslovak myth describes the country as "a welcoming and tolerant place for Jews" and an "island of democracy in Eastern Europe"?

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 09:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC).

  • I have some knowledge in this area (History of Jews in the Czech lands/Czechoslovakia), but I've never heard about the existence of the term "Czechoslovak myth" as a commonly accepted term referring specifically to the political exploitation of a concept of "Jew-tolerant" post-war Czechoslovakia. This story has many facets and can be explained properly but I don't think it deserves a stand alone article under the title "Czechoslovak myth" as a commonly accepted concept. I would be good to see what exactly the sources say. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
  • One of the sources (Orzoff) is already quoted in the article and even has "myth" in the title. Lichtenstein writes in the abstract of her paper, "Instead, they sought to cultivate a strategic alliance between the state's Czech elite and the Jewish minority which centred on the claim that Czechoslovakia was a particularly welcoming and tolerant place for Jews, an image that would evolve into a significant component of the myth of Czechoslovakia as an island of democracy in Eastern Europe." Lanicek says, "Thus the ‘myth’ of the exceptional Czechoslovak democracy – closely linked to its treatment of Jews – was born. The Czechoslovaks soon became aware of this reputation among the other East- Central European nations and began to utilise it for political benefit. This ‘myth’ became the main asset of Czechoslovak foreign policy already at Versailles." It is not necessary for every source to use the term in order to have a wiki article on it. If you'd like to propose a different title, feel free to file a WP:RM. buidhe 06:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Orzoff's book or study discusses the term 'Czechoslovak myth' from a different and far broader perspective, from what I can see in this review of the book (Historická sociologie 1-2/2012, Charles University in Prague (in Czech)). Similarly, the thesis La Nation Tchèque: konstrukce československého národa ve Francii (Charles University, full version in Czech sercheable on Internet, abstract and summary also in English) deals with the topic (from the point of view of Orzoff and other researchers) in a broader context. The author says (my clumsy translation with the help of G-translator): A key publication for this thesis is the book by the American historian Andrea Orzoff, specializing in modern European history. The book describes the so-called Czechoslovak myth, as constructed by T. G. Masaryk and E. Beneš. This myth forms a basic narrative framework of Czechoslovak propaganda presented to foreign, and later also to domestic, audience. Czechoslovaks are portrayed as fair, naturally democratic founded, progressive, peaceful nation with a sense of humanity, naturally inclined to Western Europe. The idealized nature of the Czechoslovak nation is then built in contrast to the cruelty and power of German nations and Hungarians who oppress and exploit Czechs. Your interpretation may be a part of the story of Czechoslovak myth, but incomplete and highly selective. I think that in a broader examination of the topic we should focus on works describing activities of T. G. Masaryk, E. Beneš and Ernest Denis in Paris during 1915-1918, and the revue La Nation Tchèque. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
  • The very first sentence of the article states, "Czechoslovak myth is a term used by some scholars to refer to the narrative that Czechoslovakia was a tolerant and liberal democratic country, oriented towards Western Europe, and free of antisemitism compared to other countries in central and eastern Europe." Multiple sources do discuss the treatment of Jews as an important element of the myth, which I don't think that's contradicted by any of the sources you cited. If you'd like to expand the article with more detail and information, please feel free, I don't WP:OWN it. buidhe 23:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 12[]

Antonio Berti (sculptor)

  • ... that sculptor Antonio Berti mentored other sculptors, among them American sculptor Frank Varga? "Ferenc Csaba Varga". lorneandsons.com.

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 18:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

Comment: I looked at the article. Striking ALT1 which has two direct links to the Italian Wikipedia, which will not be accepted, also the church and the person will probably not attract many, and the image is poor. I looked at which image is good, and came up with
Statue of Foscolo in Santa Croce
Statue of Foscolo in Santa Croce
ALT2: ... that the Italian sculptor Antonio Berti made a statue of Ugo Foscolo (pictured) for his tomb in Santa Croce, Florence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
The article says bust here, statue there, - to my understanding it's a statue. The portrayed man was a poet and revolutionary, which might add extra interest if mentioned in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT1a: ... that while he was an official sculptor of the Holy See, Antonio Berti sculpted busts of Pius XII, Louise de Marillac, and a statue of Giulio Facibeni on the square in front of the Church of Santo Stefano in Pane?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you for the help, Gerda. --evrik (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Note: ALT1a struck as it is too long, at 212 prose characters. Perhaps an ALT1b can be fashioned that comes in at under 200 characters? BlueMoonset (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hooks are set. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all sources are foreign-language, unable to check for close paraphrasing. QPQ done. I have added two "citation needed" tags, including one that verifies the ALT1b hook fact. Per recent discussion at WT:DYK, I don't think the unlinked Giulio Facibeni or the church is going to be accepted on the main page. Images in article freely licensed. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • If memory serves me, this site confirms the details of the hook (in English). I can look for better sources, but they won't be in English. --evrik (talk) 03:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 13[]

Balidaan (1997 film)

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 15:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg New enough at only two days old, all of the information is cited, including its ban in Nepal, and I see no neutrality, sourcing, plagiarism, or any other problems with the article. BTW congratulations on finding this really interesting hook since I have always found stuff relating to the Nepalese Communist Party or Nepalese Civil War really interesting. Jon698 talk 21:58 21 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Yoninah, I thought quotes looked better, I guess, but fixed. I think that the Nepalese Civil War pipe is appropriate because this event led to film being banned. The war lasted from 1996 to 2006. It was banned by Nepali monarchy but they were overthrowed as a result of the war. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: OK, now that I edited the page I see there was quite a bit of time between the film's release and its banning. Do you want to include the date in the hook?
  • ALT1: ... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) was banned eight years later by King Gyanendra for its portrayal of Nepal's communist movement? Yoninah (talk) 17:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, Thank you for the copy edit. Including the release date seems relevant. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 17:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. @Jon698: could you sign off on ALT1 please? Yoninah (talk) 17:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yoninah, I came here to give the tick you requested nearly a week ago, but was unable to find in any of the sources wording that specifically ascribed the banning to Gyanendra himself, so I can't approve ALT1. Neither the wording in the lede nor in the Sarkar quote goes that far (and the quote is very odd in that it says "five years ago" yet there is no identification of when the passage was written). BlueMoonset (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • The article was written on September 24, 2005 (see the heading on the bold text).
ALT2: ... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) was banned eight years later by King Gyanendra's government for its portrayal of Nepal's communist movement?
Hi BlueMoonset, Is this better? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I really wish there wasn't disagreement between sources. Source 3 gives the film's release as 1997, but source 4 says it was 1996. Source 7 says the ban was "five years ago" (dated January 10, 2010), but source 3 reports the ban as if very recent on September 24, 2005. Does any source give the actual release date of the movie beyond the year? It might be safer to say "in 2005" rather than "eight years later" given the discrepancies and uncertainties. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Gerhard Erber

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC).

  • There is probably something else that could be said about the subject, because right now the hook will not appeal to anyone who does not follow the German classical music scene. I don't think the typical reader would even know what the Gruppe Neue Musik Hanns Eisler is nor its significance, which means the hook doesn't give enough context as to what makes Erber and his career special. The article seems to show that he's had a long and recognized career: surely another hook could be proposed based on that instead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • (This is a disclaimer that Narutolovehinata5 and I talked about this off-wiki, though all opinions in this comment are mine.) I think there are other things can be said about Erber. Let's look at it from the viewpoint of a random reader who knows nothing about Gruppe Neue Musik Hanns Eisler. Why should someone flipping through the main page care about Erber? Can the hook be reworded in such a way that it would be interesting to those who aren't fans of opera? epicgenius (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
    Please don't ask me because I want to make the Gruppe known ;) - Do you have an elegant way to say how unusual it was for them to tour in the West? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
It's probably not going to help much if the audience remains limited and the typical reader does not know about the group, and in any case the subject is Erber and the hook should ideally focus on him. If there's a wish to focus on how rare it is for the group to tour internationally, it might be better to mention that in a hook about them instead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:09, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
I disagree. Yes it's about Erber, and the key fact about him - for me - is that he wasn't one of these solo piano stars but played in ensemble with others, expressed by the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Trying to say a bit harder that he would not have had these possibilities without the group:
ALT1: ... that as the pianist of the ensemble Gruppe Neue Musik Hanns Eisler from Leipzig, Gerhard Erber was able to play world premieres and tour internationally?
"world premieres" because they focused on Neue Musik (new music), and tour while the typical DDR performer could just play at home, for the decades it existed and restricted. I try not to get too much into politics, for a pianist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Gerda Arendt, it has been four weeks since this was nominated and the QPQ has still not been supplied. I cannot in good conscience call for a new reviewer while the QPQ is missing. Please supply a QPQ right away. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
    I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Mary Seacole. Sorry, within celebrations with real company (!), I had to take care of a FAC and an AfD first. Thanks for reminding me, - expanding the ensemble article is on my to-do-list. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review can now be done now that a QPQ has been accomplished. With that said, there's probably something better that can be said about the subject other than ALT1 because pianists going on international tours isn't really uncommon, and the additional context (in that he's part of a group that doesn't usually go abroad) is not present in the hook and may not necessarily appeal to those who don't follow the German classical music scene. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I came to review but, reading the article, there doesn't seem to be anything hook-worthy. Not all articles are, unfortunately. In the discussion above, Gerda says there's something interesting about the fact he was in an ensemble rather than solo which... I know enough about classical music, and that still sounds dry, so maybe it's a niche German thing? Of course, @Gerda Arendt:, is there anything else about him that could make a hook? Kingsif (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
    Why don't you just review articles you find attracive? This person wasn't the glamorous kind of pianist, - you may find that boring, I love it, teamwork and ensemble spirit. He was one of very few people in Cold War times to travel the world from Leipzig, - someone to word that? I tried, but it seems not obvious. It was easier to make a hook for Anna Blume, sure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I'll try not to be insulted by that. But fine, I won't review your hooks if you don't want me to. You do seem to reinforce the point, though: as I said, some articles may be about really notable, interesting, people, but not have anything worthy of a hook. If you're finding it hard to think of something to put in a hook, it's probably not worth nominating for DYK. You (general) don't need to write a DYK hook for everyone (and can't really, because in DYK terms what you're calling a lack of glamour really does mean boring.) Kingsif (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
    I didn't try to insult, just say where I see a waste of time. You may find lack of glamour boring, another reviewer might find team spirit attractive. I found it attractive enough to mention. A friend died, did you see that (in the link)? Why argue about different tastes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
    I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Neel Kolhatkar

5x expanded by Alink10273 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
  • Other problems: Green tickY

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol question.svg I'm not sure how interesting the hook would be to an international audience. Maybe include something about his "one-man musical based on a wannabe gangster from the Southern Sydney suburb of Kogarah, titled The KogDog!" (quoted from article) That may be more intriguing. Clemlivy aikensnaps (talk) 00:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

If it helps, I gave Alink10273 some hook suggestions at their talk page. — CR4ZE (TC) 03:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
The nominator has no prior DYK credits so a QPQ is not required. They however have not edited since May 24th and so the nomination may have to proceed without them. Perhaps CR4ZE may be willing to adopt the nomination in their stead? Also, it appears that Clemlivy aikensnaps hasn't been on-Wiki since they reviewed this, so a new reviewer may be needed if they don't return. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Happy to take over from here. Not sure if QPQ applies if I'm taking over, but I did it anyway. Here's a couple alternatives:
  • ALT3:... that Neel Kolhatkar's archetypal depiction of Australian culture in his comedy received journalistic criticism?
  • ALT4:... that Neel Kolhatkar's first major acting role was in the divisive, self-directed short film Modern Educayshun?
  • ALT5:... that criticism of Neel Kolhatkar's race-based comedy spurs him on to create more?
I preference my first suggestion but am keen to hear feedback. — CR4ZE (TC) 15:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT4 is probably a non-starter since the film in question doesn't seem to be notable and otherwise isn't recognizable. ALT5 is possible, but owing to BLP reasons and in light of current situations, it may not be suitable at this time. ALT3 may need some more explanation or context since "caused criticism" is rather vague. As for the QPQ thing, as you aren't the original nominator you aren't required to provide the QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Disagree on ALT4: the film went viral, circulated through several conservative outlets[13][14] and featured on an FBE episode.[15] What BLP issues prop up with ALT5? I don't see why the "current climate" in the US would preclude this from being added. A new/improved article on a police department or political movement, sure, but not this. Have clarified ALT3. Do you think the suggestion above about the "one-man musical" could be more interesting? — CR4ZE (TC) 16:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Not really so sure, if it did go viral in the US then that context would need to be added to the hook for the benefit of non-American readers and also because the hook itself doesn't make it clear. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT4 already states that the film was divisive, which is supported in the article, and "going viral" is not something specific to US audiences, so I'm not sure what else you want me to clarify here. Here's another idea:
I'm otherwise happy to hear if you have any suggestions for hook alternatives. — CR4ZE (TC) 08:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I took a look at the article and the part about him receiving "criticism" is rather vague since it doesn't go into detail into that; maybe expanding that point and his responses to said critiques would be a good start in new ideas. I'll try to think of more suggestions, but as it's getting late where I live that may need to wait until tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @CR4ZE: After giving this some thought, the first part of ALT3 might work as a starting point; however it might be a good idea to focus on the "archetypal depiction" aspect provided that more context is given as to what that depiction is in the hook. Perhaps wording along the likes of "that comedian Neel Kolhatkar is known for his archetypal depiction of Australian culture, where..." or "that comedian Neel Kolhatkar's depiction of Australian culture as..."? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 14[]

Hitler's prophecy

Audience gives Nazi salute during the speech
Audience gives Nazi salute during the speech

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New and long enough. QPQ has been done. Article as a whole is well-written and neutrally-worded. Hook is "interesting" (quote marks to avoid sounding callous!) and cited. AGF on the offline sources. Cheers Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
The image looks good too, but I'm fine with or without Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Buidhe: Hi, I came by to promote this, and have one question. Is "Hitler's prophecy" a common name, or is this a label you're giving it? It would seem more accurate to title it according to the date of the speech. Yoninah (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:, Yes, all you have to do is search the article for "prophecy" to find examples of "Hitler's prophecy" or "Hitler's "prophecy"" in quotes by various historians. The article is not about the entire speech, which was mostly about other issues, but a particular phrase of it that was frequently repeated and interpreted. buidhe 17:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @: OK, I guess. But why are you writing "threatened" in the hook instead of "predicted"? Yoninah (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Both words are used in sources (see #Genocide section for examples of "threat"), but I think threat works better in a hook. buidhe 17:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Buidhe: I disagree. You're calling it Hitler's prophecy and then calling it a threat? Any reader who clicks on this will see "predicted" first thing in the lead. I suggest you either make the hook fit the lead, or the lead fit the hook. Yoninah (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Either or both, depending on who you ask. Any reader with some tolerance of ambiguity should be able to understand that it could be both a conditional prediction (according to Hitler) and an actual threat (Hitler was already planning to cause the war)... buidhe 20:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 15[]

Nature's Fynd

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 12:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment (I was going to randomly review it but before that, a major issue surfaced). Symbol possible vote.svg I'd like to discuss whether this company passes WP:NCOMPANY first on talk (given the creator is an established editor, I know this is not a spam advert... but I am sorry, to me, it looks like one). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @TonyTheTiger: Tony, I appreciate you being a good sport and you did invest a lot of time into this article, but I have reread the expanded version and I am seriously concerned this fails WP:NCOMPANY/GNG. I will therefore ask for 2nd opinion in the most relevant place, which is AfD. As a compensation, I promise that if the AfD closes as keep, I'll finish my review here and frankly if it s notable per community I am sure it will be passed as a DYK, as my sole concern is that this company may not be notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg While I personally still think this fails NCOMPANY, the AFD showed no consensus for deletion. As promised, I will finish the review (am, did, whatever), and the article meets all DYK requirements (stable, new, long, no copyvio, etc.). The hook is neutral. All that is needed is a QPQ review. Ping User:TonyTheTiger. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm having trouble finding the hook fact, that it hopes will serve the microbial manufacturing needs for NASA, cited in the article. Could you point it out to me please? Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Actually, TonyTheTiger, this nomination has been waiting for you to answer Yoninah's request to point out (or add) a citation for the hook fact she quoted, which doesn't appear to be in the article even after your edits last week. Since I could have missed it, can you please point to it here on this nomination page? Or, if it isn't there yet, can you please add the necessary cite and then point to it here? The ball is in your court. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I would stop the hook after "NASA". But the article doesn't say that its meat substitute will serve NASA's space travel needs; it says it is developing a bioreactor for NASA. And that whole sentence in the lead: including microbial manufacturing needs as well as other space travel uses for NASA is still not sourced. Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Flag of Ulster

flag of Ulster
flag of Ulster
  • ... that the Flag of Ulster (pictured) is supposed to have come about from a cross of saracen blood given by Richard the Lionheart and a bloody red hand cut off to claim a kingdom? Source: Fortress Britain: All the Invasions and Incursions since 1066. The History Press. p. 20. ISBN 0752497170. (cross) Carnigie Council (hand)

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg DYKcheck tells me that it has not been 5x expanded. buidhe 05:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Buidhe: Are you sure because the bot might be including the table? Before I did the expansion, it worked out I needed 3,000 characters for a 5x expansion, which I specifically checked I had done. How much more do I need to add? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • The C of E, The article had 1866 readable prose characters in November 2018, so to be a 5x expansion it should be at least 9330 characters. buidhe 06:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Buidhe: No, it had 587 characters at the start of expansion so 2,935 was needed for expansion, which has been done. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Buidhe: You're correct. Rule A4 of DYKSG states that "Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it were up for deletion." The number of characters in the version at the start of expansion is thus irrelevant, because that version is not the "previously existing article". —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • But the previous existing article was the one I started from as I interpret "previously existing article" to mean the version that existed before the expansion, not one that was deleted nearly 2 years ago. Its not as if I blanked a load of rubbish and started from there. I didn't even know about this revision that existed almost 2 years ago, that version is not valid. That rule was clearly designed to stop people removing a load of unsourced material and rewriting it, not to penalise people who in good faith made the expansion based upon the version that had stood for at least a year. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Ignorance of a previous revision is not an excuse. It's not for you to decide which version is valid and which one isn't – the rules make it clear what constitutes the "previously existing article" (and I'm sure @BlueMoonset: would agree with Buidhe and myself). And no, blanking "a load of rubbish and start[ing] from there" would not be acceptable either – that "load of rubbish" would have to be included in the calculation of a 5× expansion. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Which i didn't do . Equally that wording is vague because it doesn't specify which version. I interpret it to mean that which existed at the point of the new expansion without artificial interferance from the editor. Plus I've had this happen before and its been permitted to continue. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Just because this has incorrectly been allowed to happen before does not mean that bad precedent should be allowed to continue today. There are established rules, and Buidhe has interpreted those rules objectively and correctly here. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Then I suggest you rewrite the rule because at the moment, it seems to only be against blanking stuff and rewriting. I'd prefer to take it to WT:DYK. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • FWIW - I think the hook needs copyediting. --evrik (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt1 ... that the Flag of Ulster (pictured) is said to have come from a cross of saracen blood and a hand cut off to claim a kingdom? --evrik (talk) 13:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There was no consensus established in that discussion. If anything, it sure did not say that your expansion is fine. We're still awaiting Guerillero's RfC on that issue. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • A majority of one or two does not constitute consensus. As stated in WP:CONS: "consensus is determined by the quality of arguments (not by a simple counted majority)". I'm not surprised you would "read it differently" to bring about the most generous and beneficial outcome for yourself. Again, why don't we wait for Guerillero's RfC? —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Bloom6132, while there wasn't a full consensus, I thought that the discussion established that, certainly when DYKcheck was written, the DYK operations at the time did not use the highest-ever size as the basis for a 5x expansion—which means the quality of the arguments was pretty strong, as the status quo ante, before the latest controversy, was that expansion size was based on the state of the article prior to the beginning of the new edits (including removals and additions), and a number of arguments for the "highest ever" position had cited DYKcheck as evidence for their position. The recent discussion had people of both opinions—prior to and highest ever—but didn't change that prior methodology. (We didn't let people cut and then later come back and expand, which was something The C of E once tried.) An RfC puts a delay of 30 days on this nomination, and under the circumstances, I don't think it's warranted, since it's been waiting four weeks already. But you can certainly take your contention to the DYK talk page; I'm only one person, and the consensus may be to wait. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: That was the opinion of one editor (Shubinator). Even as the creator of DYKcheck, I don't think his position alone (on what was used as the basis for a 5x expansion back when DYKcheck was written) is the consensus. It is also rather far-fetched for anyone to imply that the 8 editors who argued in favour of highest-ever size all got it wrong and that our reasoning was completely flawed. If, however, you're fine with bulldozing past our expressed objections, go right ahead and do it. I'll just keep the diffs from this discussion for future reference and avail myself of them if I ever need to. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, "bulldozing"? "one editor"? Bloom6132, did you even read the comments from the many editors who took the opposite position from you who were also from that time? Don't put this on me: you've been the most strenuous in your objections through all the discussions, and if you aren't happy with my interpretation (including whether we should wait for the RfC, which as I said I'm certainly open to a consensus that we should wait the 30 days), the place to continue this is the DYK talk page. (Be sure those diffs include this post as well, and be sure to mention whether you did in fact check at WT:DYK as I've suggested.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg long enough, QPQ done. Hook cited and an alternate hook provided. It could use a few more sentences to explain key points (I just added one). It has serious earwig problems. The article also needs resolution of the expansion discussion. --evrik (talk) 13:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Evrik: Actually if you look at the page as it was in 2018 you'll notice that section was in it. That source you provided appears to be from 2019, so it appears to me to be actually be the other way around in that the writers of that source (which appears to be the Education Authority of Northern Ireland of all organisations!) just directly copied from Wikipedia. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Guerillero, Bloom6132, and Buidhe: could we agree to give this a "non-precidental" approval while we discuss the policy so it can move forward? --evrik (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Although I supported the clarification proposal, it might be better to let this wait considering this was the nomination that led to the discussion in the first place. Even if the proposal passes or regardless of the consensus here on whether or not to approve this without waiting for the RfC to end, the hook still needs work per Evrik's comments. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:42, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
@Evrik: agreed, this nom can be grandfathered in. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I find the above explanation acceptable. I find the original hook too wordy and unwieldy. Pending the resolution of the above-referenced discussion, and an acceptable hook, I'm going to give this an okay. --evrik (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Trying to dislodge some old stuck hooks. No comment on any of the discussion above, but evrik said it needs a new hook, so how about:
ALT2 ... that the origin of the Red Hand of Ulster in the center of the flag of Ulster (pictured) is shrouded in mystery?
ALT2b ... that the origin of the red hand in the center of the flag of Ulster (pictured) is shrouded in mystery?
The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • No, the comment only said they needed copyediting (though I have yet to be told what needs it), not new ones. I want to keep the saracen blood and bloody hand in the hook. These two new ones are fairly dull and lack hookyness so I am going to politely decline those. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • The C of E, evrik was quite clear earlier that the original hook is too wordy and unwieldy (and proposed ALT1, which is another that you've struck). At this point, it looks like you want the original hook yet the reviewer says it's unacceptable, a place we've been at before on previous nominations. I have struck the original hook due to reviewer evrik's objections; I suggest that if you don't like any of the other proposals, you set yourself to coming up with something that answers said objections, because at the moment there aren't any hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

() (edit conflict) @The C of E: Alright. How's this then? I think that evrik's issue was that there was too much detail and it muddled the message, so I cut it down.

  • ALT0b ... that the elements on the Flag of Ulster (pictured) supposedly trace their origins to a cross drawn in Saracen blood and a hand cut off to claim a kingdom? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT0c ... that the elements on the Flag of Ulster (pictured) trace their origins to a cross drawn in Saracen blood and a hand cut off to claim a kingdom? --evrik (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
    • ALT0c is acceptable, though I'd prefer it if we included that either the cross was awarded by Richard the Lionheart or that the hand was bloody to explain why it is red. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I can't approve ALTOc, however, I will approve everything else pending resolution of the above-referenced discussion.--evrik (talk) 04:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Need someone else to review ALT0c. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 16[]

The Sky Is Pink

Improved to Good Article status by Krish! (talk). Self-nominated at 07:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC).

  • While the full review could probably be left to someone else, I wonder if alternate hooks could be proposed because I'm not sure if the hook would appeal to non-Bollywood audiences or those unfamiliar with Chopra (I understand that this hook will probably appeal to the Indian subcontinent, but Wikipedia is an international website and we're writing not just for Indians). Perhaps a hook about how the song used for promoting the film wasn't actually used in the final cut might work better? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
As the nominator hasn't been on-Wiki in over a week and the hook concerns remain addressed, perhaps CAPTAIN MEDUSA might be able to help out with this nomination and take care of any concerns in their absence? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Personally it's rather pedestrian; it would have worked better if Chopra was better-known globally. Perhaps another editor can chime in here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for intruding on the discussion. I agree that neither of the two proposed hooks are particularly eye-catching. The story about how the subject's mother only wanted Shonali Bose to direct her daughter's story because the daughter loved the trailer for Bose's film Margarita with a Straw is interesting, but I cannot think of a way to condense it down to a hook. The film's basic plot (i.e. about a couple navigating their marriage while also dealing with their daughter's severe combined immunodeficiency and pulmonary fibrosis) could have potential. Just wanted to propose two different ideas. Aoba47 (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

As interesting as a hook about the plot would be, it wouldn't be allowed as hooks about plots aren't allowed unless they are somehow linked to the real world. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. Apologies for the mistake on my part. Just trying to think of some ideas. Aoba47 (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Proposing three hook options. Apologies for intruding yet again. I think I might as well try to format some hook ideas. I am honestly quite bad at this because I never can get a grasp on what is considered "hooky" or not. Apologies for being super annoying here, and I greatly appreciate @Narutolovehinata5: for their help. Aoba47 (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT1ALT2 sounds good. And don't worry, additional hook proposals are always appreciated. ALT1 is actually quite good, far more attention grabbing than ALT2ALT3 or ALT3ALT4. Just hoping that the nominator will return soon and provide some feedback on your hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. I prefer ALT1ALT2 as well. Aoba47 (talk) 01:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to do the review and I am surprised by how much outright copying there is in this GA article. I removed the close paraphrasing taken from Outlook India, but more needs to be done. See Earwig's comparison from Indian Express, Scroll.in, The Hindu, . Obviously, everyday expressions are fine to repeat, but when you use her flowery language as your text, it needs to be in quotes. Yoninah (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
  • It is very troubling to me that the article was listed as a GA given the significant close paraphrasing, which also includes the hindustantimes.com source (number 7). While I think it's too soon now, once the text is revised, I plan to ask an expert to check to be sure there aren't any lingering copyvio or close paraphrasing problems. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
So the original editor who opposed my hook said "Wikipedia is an international website and outside India, nobody knows Priyanka Chopra". BUT then how come the hook about Shonali Bose (who is unknown even in India) was approved? Plus Bose was attracted to the film due to various reasons, not just because of her own tragedy. She said she wanted to explore her own experience while writing, yes WRITING not CHOOSING the film. So your hook is contradictory. Just because nobody knows Chopra outside, doesn't make her less important. I have written a dozen of DYKs about Chopra so are you telling me that all those should be removed because she's unknown outside her own country?Krish | Talk To Me 12:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Krish!: I think the problem with the original hook is that it is simply a statement of fact. If someone knows who the actress is, they'll click on anything about her, but saying that it's her first film in three years is not going to appeal to anyone who doesn't know her, or even to anyone who is into film and knows that this is a common experience among actors. (I'm still waiting for Bradley Cooper to release another movie after two years!) The Bose hook, on the other hand, adds an additional dimension that extends beyond filmmaking; readers can relate to someone's emotion over her son's death. Remember, when writing hooks, we're not trying to summarize the article, but to "hook" readers into clicking and reading more. Yoninah (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Then I would recommend a hook which is more interesting: Aditi wanted only Bose to makea film on her daughter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krish! (talkcontribs) 13:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
If a suitably-worded hook based on that is proposed, it could be approved depending on how it's written, but the decision would still rest with the reviewer(s) and promoter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
The problem with the original hook is that if you don't know who Chopra is nor follow Bollywood, learning that this was her first Hindu-language film is not going to be very appealing because you wouldn't know the context and circumstances behind it, thus preventing appreciation of the information. It's like writing a hook about a Filipino actor doing a Filipino-language film for the first time in five years. It might appeal to Filipino readers, but it won't necessarily be interesting to readers from somewhere like Estonia or Nigeria. The hook focusing on Chopra is not itself the issue and in fact it's possible to write a hook mentioning Chopra while still appealing to an international audience (the one proposed above mentioning her marriage to Nick Jonas, a name that might be more familiar to global readers, is an example) it's all about the hook fact and the choice of words. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I understand both sides of this argument that has developed, but Narutolovehinata5 is right that ALT0 might be too boring for some parts of the audience. However, the idea of a Chopra hook is solid if done right. Also BlueMoonset, while a bit off topic, this was just my third GA review, and I am certainly looking for pointers on how to improve those. Raymie (tc) 18:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Priyanka Chopra planned her wedding in between filming scenes for The Sky Is Pink? [17]
ALT5a: ... that Priyanka Chopra planned her wedding to Nick Jonas in between filming scenes for The Sky Is Pink?
ALT5b: ... that in between filming her scenes for The Sky Is Pink, Priyanka Chopra was planning her wedding to Nick Jonas?
I think this will be more effective if Nick Jonas is specifically mentioned; it's another association and chance to draw people in. (I do think that more people know Chopra since her marriage to Jonas, but it helps to give them a specific referent.) ALT5b is offered in case it seems desirable to have the film's name earlier in the hook. But a non-Chopra hook can also work. —BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
FYI: Priyanka Chopra is more popular than her husband. Before she started dating Jonas, nobody in India knew who Nick Jonas was. Jonas is no Ed Sheeran whose song "Shape of You" was a rage in India and world. Chopra introduced him to a larger audience and she has 4x more following on social media than her so called popular husband that you guys think whose name might help Chopra get some clicks. Chopra enjoys popularity in UAE, Arabia, the middle east, South east Asia and off course Asia and wherever Bollywood is followed just like most of Bollywood stars. Saying Chopra needs her husband's name to get more clicks is laughable. After her TV show, Chopra became known in US, UK too and became more known in Europe and other parts (she was known there for her Bollywood films). DYKs on Bollywood actor's names have been getting clicks forever on Wikipedia.Krish | Talk To Me 22:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Regardless of the above comment, there are two issues right now with the article and the nomination. The first is that even if what you're saying about Chopra's fame compared to Jonas is true, there is consensus among others editors here that the original hook that focuses on Chopra (ALT0) is unsuitable, so even if you wish that a hook mentioning her be used, a different wording (which may or may not mention Jonas) would need to be proposed. The second, and perhaps more pressing issue, is that as mentioned above by Yoninah and BlueMoonset, there are several statements in the article that may be too close to other sources and may need to be rephrased. Also pinging other previous commenters @CAPTAIN MEDUSA, Aoba47, and Raymie: for their thoughts on the new comment regarding Chopra, as well as JavaHurricane who may have some ideas on how tto move forward. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Apologies for my late response. The close paraphrasing issue is the most important part to handle, but I will leave that to more experienced editors. As for the hook, I see nothing wrong with putting both Chopra and Jonas in the hook as it would only increase the possibility that someone may find it interesting enough to click on. Celebrity popularity is a tricky thing. I can believe that Chopra is more famous in India (and other parts of the world) than Jonas, but I would imagine Jonas is more popular in the US due to his association with the Jonas Brothers band. Either way, if Chopra must be mentioned in the hook, then I think the Chopra/Jonas wedding one may be the better option, especially since the wedding was all over the press at the time. Apologies for the long response. Aoba47 (talk) 19:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5 I was the original reviewer, so I need to stay out of this one. I've been looking for help with GA reviews because of what's happened with this particular article, but unfortunately I haven't received much assistance. Raymie (tc) 16:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I have been in touch with someone who might be able to do a GA reassessment (I can't at this time), but frankly, given that there is copyvio currently in the article that nominator Krish! still hasn't addressed (or made any edits at all to the article), this may end up getting closed regardless of whether there is a GA reassessment or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset Where is close paraphrasing in the article? Some of the big quotes were rephrased during its GA nomination so I don't think it requires a GAR. Also, I don't care if Chopra is known to US or not, I support my first hook and the reviewer's job is to review it and not lecture me about the popularity of the actress. Going by this logic, the new Indian actors, who are not even that known in India, are not eligible for DYK?Krish | Talk To Me 00:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The issue isn't about Chopra being the subject of the hook or her fame outside of India, it's about the hook fact, how it is worded, and how it can appeal to the broadest audience possible. Her making a Hindi film might interest her fans or people who know her, but it may be more niche outside these two audiences. On the other hand, preparing for a wedding while filming is something that might attract interest even to those who don't know her; the mention of Jonas would only be to add additional context and bring in more eyes. In theory it should be a win-win for the hook: English-speaking readers who may be more familiar with Jonas would be attracted, but so would readers from India and neighboring countries where Chopra is more famous. Finally, as for the "new Indian actors cannot be on DYK because they're not famous" comment, that misses the point. It's certainly possible for obscure-in-India personalities to be featured on DYK provided that a hook that would interest general audiences could be proposed. Indeed, one of the alternate proposals here was the hook about the director, which some editors here liked even though you mentioned that she isn't well-known in India. To repeat what I mentioned earlier: it's all about the hook fact and a wording. When writing a hook, you need to keep in mind that you're writing something that needs to catch the attention of people who don't know anything about the subject, which can be a challenge even for seasoned DYK veterans.
It should be noted that there is already consensus among many editors here against the original hook, a consensus that is unlikely to be overturned at the moment, so we either have to go with any of the other options already proposed here, or make a new hook that would find agreement here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Raymie So you reviewed this article without any critical analysis and now want it to be reassessed? How about you shouldn't have taken this article in first place if you don't know how to review articles?Krish | Talk To Me 00:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah and Narutolovehinata5 The point you raised above on 22 June (sorry for not looking at it earlier; I've been very busy) about "flowery" language used without quotes, is because this reviewer demanded that I must remove all quotes and paraphrase it and only then it will pass. So I did and hence youare finding close paraphrasingin Development and Themes section. That's not my fault but the "reviewer's" incompetence. I can be fixed without reassessment.Krish | Talk To Me 00:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The issue here is that the article was nominated for DYK as a recently-promoted GA, and now that GA status has been put into question. A GAR can help ensure that the article does indeed meet the GA criteria, because if issues remain or new ones are found and they aren't addressed within a reasonable timeframe, the article could be delisted and the nomination would automatically be failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Krish!, I pointed to the the hindustantimes.com source as one that was copied/closely paraphrased in my post earlier; Yoninah pointed to other sources, and did some fixing on her own. However, I am troubled by your failure to accept responsibility for your own copying and very close paraphrasing. There were a lot of quotes, and the reviewer appears to me to be justified in asking that you put more of this material in your own words. What you seem to have done instead is to reuse the quoted words in a slightly different order, which is inadequate, and the reviewer didn't pick up on this. You may wish to consider whether any of this should be called "incompetence", or if the word should be used at all here. It certainly left me with a bad taste in my mouth. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • The reviewer agreed above that this was only his third GAN and now wants to learn from it. I myself have reviewed several articles and I go deep with each section but this reviewer just asked to see the quotes paraphrased and I did. A GAN reviewer is supposed to raise the concerns of close paraphrasing at GAN which he did not yet here I am getting the blame of it. How is it fair? And also, perhaps you are right, I did not mean incompetence of the reviewer but inexperience. I should have used the word inexperienced. Krish | Talk To Me 01:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Everyone makes mistakes and the GAN reviewer has apologized for it. What now needs to be done is that the parts in question need to be revised so that the paraphrasing issue can be addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

- I think regardless of the history of the nomination, if we resolve the close paraphrasing, we'll be in the place that the article can retain the GA status and the status of this nomination. I can take a look at fixing the article, but it might take a couple days. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 17[]


  • ... that YouTube channel SiIvaGunner uploads videos claiming to be video game soundtracks which are actually remixes?

Created by OmegaFallon (talk). Self-nominated at 20:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Article has been expanded well past the minimum 1500 prose characters, but is currently at Articles for deletion. When that closes, the review can resume (or, if deleted, the nomination can close). BlueMoonset (talk) 04:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed now that AfD has closed as "keep". Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article was new at time of nomination, exceeds character limit of 1500, is free of serious article issues (a couple of non-surprising uncited sentences persist). Hook is within limit and is accessible and potentially interesting to a broad audience. Source for hook verified here. Hook is good to go now Article for Deletion has been closed as keep. SFB 14:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @OmegaFallon: On a note unrelated to the hook, the image used on the article does not appear to be correct. The image used is only present on the GiIvaSunner account, not the SiIvaGunner one which is the subject of the article. I suggest to remove this image as it does not pass non-free content rules as it is not about the subject. SFB 14:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
It was Siiva's icon at the time of writing the article. Recently, it changed for a channel event, but it's expected to return to its original icon soon. Harmonia per misericordia. OmegaFallon (talk) 19:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Numerous tags in the article must be addressed before this can be promoted. I'm also wondering if the negative-sounding hook could be softened by adding parody at the beginning? Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Edited it. Hopefully it's good now. Also, linking "parody" could be useful for providing clarification. Harmonia per misericordia. OmegaFallon (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. Restoring tick and promoting. Yoninah (talk) 17:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 18[]

List of Dia Art Foundation locations and sites

Moved to mainspace by Found5dollar (talk). Self-nominated at 19:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I did some copyediting to clean up the grammar, but I can't understand this dangling clause in the lead: and four sites that are no longer categorized as such. A verb is missing here. I added a citation needed tag to one paragraph per Rule D2.
  • The hook is rather obscure for someone who doesn't know what the Dia Art Foundation is. Perhaps focus on one interesting fact or one interesting location in the collection to catch the reader's eye.
  • Images are freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Yoninah, thank you for the review. I added two cites to fix the citation needed tag and cleaned up that sentence (I have no idea what I was trying to do there). With the hook I was trying to explain that the works Dia takes care of are far away from each other and incredibly varied. Maybe something more like this gets that across better:
ALT 1... that while the Dia Art Foundation runs three museums in New York they also maintain eight artworks in the American Southwest, New York City, and Kassel, Germany?
or something like this to just focus on one work:
ALT 2... that one of the 11 locations and sites the Dia Art Foundation maintains is a room filled with 250 cubic yards (190 m3) of soil in New York City?
Found5dollar (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 19[]

Leslie Shepherd (physicist)

  • ... that nuclear physicist Leslie Shepherd published groundbreaking papers on the use of nuclear technology for interplanetary and interstellar space travel in 1948 and 1952? Source: He shared his enthusiasm for interstellar travel with Arthur C Clarke, whom he succeeded in 1954 as chairman of the British Interplanetary Society (BIS), shortly after publishing two groundbreaking papers. Both of these married (like Shepherd himself) the infectious excitement of a science-fiction devotee with the number-crunching exactitude of the rational, peer-reviewed scientist. The first, in 1948-49, was The Atomic Rocket (with AV Cleaver, then chief rocket engineer at Rolls-Royce) in which Shepherd discussed the possibility of harnessing nuclear detonations (whose power had been vividly demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki only three years earlier) to propel spacecraft towards other solar systems. The second, published in 1952, considered step-by-step the other principal barriers to mankind establishing outposts on planets light years from Earth." ([19])

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, policy compliant, and not a COPYVIO. Hook is interesting, within length requirements, and support by a reliable source. QPQ done. Good to go on this one. Hog Farm (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
    • Symbol question.svg Hawkeye7 could you use a less peacocky term than "groundbreaking", or perhaps reword the hook? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
      It is the same word used in the source, and WP:PEACOCK does not apply to DYK hooks. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Hawkeye7: okay, so you prefer that "groundbreaking" be put in quotes in the hook? That will look weird. Yoninah (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT0b ... that in 1948 and 1952, nuclear physicist Leslie Shepherd published the first scientific papers on the use of nuclear technology for interplanetary and interstellar space travel?
@Hawkeye7 and Yoninah: Does that work? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that they were not the first. During World War II, some scientists at the Manhattan Project's Los Alamos Laboratory, including Stan Ulam, Frederick Reines and Frederic de Hoffmann, speculated about the development of nuclear-powered rockets, and in 1947, Ulam and Cornelius Joseph "C. J." Everett wrote a paper in which they considered using atomic bombs as a means of rocket propulsion. This became the basis for Project Orion. In December 1945, Theodore von Karman and Hsue-Shen Tsien wrote a report on nuclear rocket propulsion for the United States Army Air Forces. All these reports were classified though, so Shepherd's papers had greater influence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Hawkeye7 Would a source support "published the first unclassified scientific papers"? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
The quote above? Don't think so. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

1929–1930 Psittacosis Pandemic

Amazon parrot
Amazon parrot

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 16:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - n
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg The hook states the pandemic killed more than 100 people whereas the lead section says 750-800 globally Clemlivy aikensnaps (talk) 23:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Clemlivy aikensnaps:...I'll do some more work on it and ping back. Give me some time if ok. Will sort QPQ soon too. Thank you for reviewing. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Clemlivy aikensnaps...I have done some more tidying for the hook. Please check if you are still up to it. Apologies for time delay. I'll continue to work on it over time. Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Mexican music in Chile

María José Quintanilla, a Chilean singer of Mexican music
María José Quintanilla, a Chilean singer of Mexican music
  • "...the corrido danzado, with or without poetic text, to the extreme that its national dispersion [in Chile] is today on par with that of the cueca, and that it is more intensely played than cueca, proof of which is that it is played in the Fiestas Patrias of September 18 in many localities of Chile." [20]
  • "The Chileans who live in southern part of the country have incorporated Mexican music as part of their culture many decades ago" [21]
  • "[The corridos] national dispersion [in Chile] is today on par with that of the cueca" [22]
  • "the people who like Mexican music is mostly from the south [of Chile]" (Montoya & Díaz, 2017, p. 15)
  • "one can apreciate today the attachment of cinema and folk music of Mexico in the lower classes, in particular those of the rural world" [23],

Created by Dentren (talk). Self-nominated at 07:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I noticed several spelling mistakes and some grammatical issues. I fixed one for you, but can you please run the whole article through a spellcheck program and fix the spelling mistakes? In terms of grammar/usage I can see you are probably not a native speaker, so I'll point out a few specific problems for you:
  • "Milieu" is unnecessarily formal. I would combine the first two sentences with "especially among the rural lower class".
  • "Specialized in" should be either "specializing in", to avoid a garden-path sentence.
  • "Continue": Subject-verb agreement.
  • In English a radio station cannot be referred to as a "radio".
  • "Live-long" should be "lifelong".
  • "To" is needed to introduce the infinitive in "sought isolate".
  • "Denounced of" should be "denounced for".
  • "The dictatorship did never supressed Mexican music as a whole but came distinguish different strands, some of which were actually promoted." This sentence doesn't make sense as a whole, please reword.
There are more issues, but they look like simple proofreading errors rather than language problems. Overall, I recommend using this tool to translate between English and Spanish; I use it all the time to help me write Spanish Wikipedia articles. You can type short phrases like "se trata de" on the left, and out comes phrases like "it's about" on the right. Always read both sides of the translation for context, to make sure that the sample text is using the phrase in the same way that you want to use it. I think of it as a nice middle ground between a dictionary and Google Translate. -- King of ♥ 05:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dentren: There are still lots of errors. You introduced the typo "spwhere" in one of your more recent edits. There are still spelling and grammar mistakes throughout the entire article. -- King of ♥ 21:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps it's time to apply to WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20[]

Senti Virus

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 18:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Before this review can proceed, I would suggest that the article be given a copy-edit as there appear to be several grammatical and vocabulary issues in it (although please inform me if the following are correct in Indian or Nepali English). For example, "the film grossed lifetime collection", the first sentence of the Production sentence, "approximately one months" among others could be revised. I could also suggest that two more additional hooks could be proposed, one is that the name was changed upon the advice of an astrologer, and the other being that the film was pulled due to COVID. Among the existing hooks, ALT0 is probably the better one and may have the wider global appeal; I'm assuming good faith for the non-English source. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Those sound good. As soon as the copyedits are done I'll do the full review; you can make a request over at WP:GOCE if you need some help. I also fixed a few misspellings of the word "because" in both hooks". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article was sufficiently new at the time of the nomination, and is long enough and adequately sourced. The astrologer hooks are cited to Nepali sources so AGF on their reliability, while the COVID hooks are verified in an English-language source. QPQ has been done. The grammar still seems iffy in places, although I'm not sure if this is just because the article is in Indian English. Going to ask for a second opinion on the grammar (ideally from an Indian English speaker) to check out the grammar, and once this has been resolved I'll give the tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Happiness Curriculum

A student defining "Happiness" during a Happiness Class
A student defining "Happiness" during a Happiness Class
Students during a Happiness Class
Students during a Happiness Class

Created by (talk) and KCVelaga (talk). Nominated by KCVelaga (talk) at 21:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Just a passing comment, but I would recommend linking to Lakh in the hook- many people won't know that 1 lakh = 100,000. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: Sure. Also, proposing ALT 3 and 4 to make it more understandable for majority of the readers.
  • ALT3: ... that amidst COVID-19 pandemic, eight hundred thousand students studying in the government schools of Delhi are remotely taking part in the classes of Happiness Curriculum? (source same as ALT1)
  • ALT4: ... that 1.6 million students studying in the government schools of Delhi take part in the classes of Happiness Curriculum? (source same as ALT2)
KCVelaga (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg This topic is not illegible for DYK because of a number of problems. The article is overall WP:PROMO and there are long quotations on the article. Most of the sources are covering Delhi government's own statements, some of which aren't even WP:RS. Since no independent evaluation has been done to this day about the curriculum. Since there has been only 2 years, I would expect that we should wait some more until independent evaluation has been done.Ashishkafle (talk) 11:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ashishkafle: Thanks for your comment. I agree that it sounds a bit promotional, I have been wanting to clean it up a little bit, give me a week or so, I personally didn't get enough time to work on this after creation. I will try to make it more neutral, and address QUOTEFARM. I will also try finding better sources, and ping you again after that. KCVelaga (talk) 12:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ashishkafle: Hi, I reworked the article, and also, only kept ALT2. KCVelaga (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC) @Ashishkafle: reminder! KCVelaga (talk) 09:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

  • The article is still promoting the views of Sisodia, than someone who can be held as a non-partisan source. The "Impact" section does not talk about any impact, instead, it focuses on what will happen. Any proclaimed "influence" in the section about "Reception" or in the hook itself is not established by any evidence if the curriculum has indeed influenced establishment of any institution. I don't see any relevance for the "Covid-19" section as well because every educational entity has been affected by the virus. I still think that the article should be instead merged to Education in Delhi until we have independent evaluation of this subject backed by WP:RS. Ashishkafle (talk) 07:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ashishkafle: I would be happy to learn which specific parts of the article do you think are promoting the views of Sisodia. Under Impact section, I have removed the statement regarding a planned assessment. I fear that I am not able to understand what you mean by "indeed influenced establishment of any institution" - I request elaboration on this. Thank you, KCVelaga (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Firstly, the claim that foreign countries want to implement is an opinion. There's no WP:RS for that. Secondly, no independent evaluation of course yet, nor is there any reliable report on benefits/shortcomings of the course. What was the objective of course and how much of that has been received? No recognition from any board yet... CBSE or ICSC - State boards haven't introduced it officially yet, except Delhi. There are lots of red links. Sources like Logical Indian are RS? They are not. Critical evaluation of sources can trim article by half. Article says "The program is run in over a thousand Government of Delhi schools;[19][20] according to Sisodia, "Mindfulness is practised by all 8 lakh pupils everyday ... "[21] Many teachers and parents have reported the pupils’ interest in academics and their behaviour has improved because of the curriculum." How's that any "impact"? How's Manish Sisodia a reliable source? And how's research department of Delhi a reliable source for a curriculum designed by government of Delhi? Launch was attended by Dalai Lama and school was visited by Melania. So does it means it becomes automatically notable? Is there anyone who talk about this course and its impact other than Sisodia and Delhi Government related sources? All newspapers only mention that this is a course by Delhi government and what Delhi government says about it. "The curriculum teaches mindfulness, social-emotional learning, critical thinking, problem solving and relationship building. It has been introduced so pupils build their emotional awareness and incorporate that into decision making, with an objective to equip pupils with the necessary skills and environment to become purpose-driven and explore a nuanced idea of happiness," Is it sourced? "A 40-strong team of professionals, including teachers from Government of Delhi schools, psychologists, education consultants, volunteers and the State Council of Educational Research and Training. This team also included senior officials from the Directorate of Education, Government of Delhi and people from NGOs such as Labhya Foundation, Dream A Dream, Blue Orb Foundation, Mind Plus Foundation and Abhibhavak Vidyalaya. This team was guided by Sisodia." How is it worth mentioning? Again I would like to say that it should be merged with Education in Delhi. Or if Manish Sisodia is so important that 7+ mentions are required, and particulars and evaluations, of course, is not required, then why not merge this to Manish Sisodia? After all this curriculum is all about what Sisodia has done and said and not about what it actually has done... killer bee  14:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 22[]

Jyotigram Yojana

5x expanded by Santoshdts (talk). Self-nominated at 01:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced. The article needs a copyedit for English grammar. The beginning of the Background section, for example, is three separate sentences where there should be one with commas. It's unclear what "dedicates" means in the second sentence of the lead. I understand Indian publications speak this way, but the English needs to be understandable to a worldwide audience. I suggest you apply at WP:GOCE for help here. The references also need to be formatted with the title, author, date of publication. Earwig's shows no copyvios, but I noticed a quote copied from one source in the lead and put quote marks around it. If you copied anything else from a source, it needs to be in quotes or rewritten in your own language.
  • Regarding the hook, it may work better to shorten it and make it more understandable by piping the article title. But we can discuss that after the copyedit.
  • No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Thank you for reviewing the article and correcting the errors in the lead. I am placing a request at GOCE for copyedit right now. Regards. Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 09:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Squash in India

5x expanded by Shanze1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment I just noticed the Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Supplementary_guidelines#A5. I've copied about 5-6 paragraphs from another article and modified/expanded that (probably not 5x). A5 however states, "copied text must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article". But I feel like more expansion is not feasible here. I'm not sure if this affects eligibility. If it does, I would like to know what can be done here. The copied texts didn't even have references. I added them on my own. So, can I like get rid of all copied text and rewrite them on my own? Also, article was already 5x expanded before this edit: copied diff Shanze1 (talk) 08:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Regarding A5, I am passing this article on the basis that there is 5x expansion on the original text, even excluding the text copied and modified from the other article. While not affecting DKY eligibility, some of the citations need a bit of work, eg. The Study on Squash in India should have its publisher spelt out, and the source used for the current hook uses the title for the website rather than the title for that particular page. However, I do not feel the proposed hooks are interesting to a broad audience. There is more interesting information in the article, for example about historical class association, the source of which goes into more information about the current situation not in the article, so I suggest thinking about new hooks. CMD (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 24[]

Cherry pit spitting

5x expanded by Bluetyphoon27 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Length and time acceptable, neutrally written. This was an entertaining and informative read. Hook is neutral and cited within article. Symbol confirmed.svg No Swan So Fine (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there's one paragraph that has no cites, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Bluetyphoon27: thank you for adding the cite, but it is not correctly formatted. Please include the article title, writer, and page number as you did for your other cites. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


  • ... that Islamabad High Court ordered the zoo officials to relocate elephant Kaavan from Islamabad Zoo to a suitable sanctuary following a 4 year campaign by pop singer Cher? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that elephant Kaavan was gifted by the Sri Lankan government to Pakistan's dictator general Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in 1985? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT2:... that Pop singer Cher initiated a campaign #SaveKaavan in 2016 demanding for the release of Kaavan from Islamabad Zoo?

Created by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on May 25[]

Youyang Gu COVID model

  • ... that Facebook's Chief AI Scientist called Youyang Gu's COVID model "the most accurate" model in projecting the number of deaths caused by COVID-19? Source: Yann LeCun (@ylecun), Twitter, May 18 2020 "Youyang Gu's model is the most accurate to predict deaths from Covid-19. IHME is pretty much the worst." [31]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Bri (talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Article is new enough (created May 25) and long enough (prose at 1,586 characters).
  • Article is written in NPOV and contains sufficient inline citations. Earwig returns no copyvio concerns.
  • Hook is of acceptable length (147 characters), is adequately cited, and should appeal to a broad audience.
  • QPQ is done.
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Looks great to me—overall a very interesting and well written article. Good to go. Armadillopteryxtalk 10:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi I came by to promote this, and removed the stub tag, but the article still seems barely start-class. There is only one sentence in the lead describing the model. I think there should be at least one section with more description of how it works. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I will not be improving this further at this time; I'm involved in other projects. I see under WP:DYKNOT Articles must meet the basic criteria set out on this page but do not have to be of very high quality. It is fine for articles to be incomplete (though not unfinished), to have red links, to be capable of being expanded or improved further, and so on. As DYK's main purpose is to showcase new and improved content, it is not expected that articles appearing on DYK would be considered among the best on Wikipedia. which seems to be the opposite of what you're saying above. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Bri: I'm quoting Rule D7. Having one sentence describing the model makes this a work in progress. Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

The Cuckoo (novel)

  • ... that "the first Japanese novel presented to the West," Kenjirō Tokutomi's The Cuckoo, was considered even more tragic than Madama Butterfly? Source: "Non-Japanese audiences often compared her to the character in Pierre Loti's novel Madame Chrysanthème, which formed the basis for the opera Madama Butterfly. These comparisons found Namiko even more tragic and admirable than Madame Chrysanthème
    • ALT1:... that Kenjirō Tokutomi's The Cuckoo was translated into English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Swedish, and Finnish, but none of these included its most famous line? Source: "These lines are not translated in the 1904 or 1918 translations of the novel, perhaps because the translators assumed their readers would not understand the reference to reincarnation"

5x expanded by Oulfis (talk). Self-nominated at 09:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and sufficiently expanded in the proper timeframe, but I have issues with the hooks. The first, frankly, is a bit dull. I would prefer the ALT1 hook, except it is not what either the text of the article or the reference actually say. The claim that the line isn't translated has to be restricted to the first English and French translations, because the author of the paper states that she has not read those translations in other languages. Mangoe (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Hm, I guess I am going a bit too far with Lavelle in ALT1. She says "some hints seem to show that the French translation is the only one not based on the English version. The Spanish and Portuguese ones open with a translation of the “Introduction” to the English edition, clearly presented as such: Introducciôn de los tradutores al inglés and Introdução dos autôres da versão inglêsa." So the English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese translations (based on her research) wouldn't contain the line, but German, Italian, Swedish, and Finnish could (in the unlikely scenario where they were based on the Japanese). Piecing things together like this is probably too much synthesis and falls under original research, though.
Do either of the following hooks seem more interesting?
  • ALT2:... that Kenjirō Tokutomi's tragic novel The Cuckoo was "one of the most phenomenal commercial successes Japan had ever known" when it was first published? Source: "Thanks to its tear-worthy plot and flowery style, Tokutomi Roka (or Kenjirō, 1868-1927)’s novel was one of the most phenomenal commercial successes Japan had ever known in the first half of the 20th century." (Lavelle 97)
  • ALT3:... that Kenjirō Tokutomi's bestselling novel The Cuckoo was based on a real incident, in which Yataro Mishima was convinced to divorce his wife because she had tuberculosis? Source: Nimura pp. 241-243 (I can type up the pages if you want)
I also personally find it fascinating that it went from being such a big success and cultural touchstone, in Japan and in America, to being almost forgotten and inaccessible -- but I suspect 'did you know nobody cares about this book anymore' won't be broadly appealing beyond literary critics, haha. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 04:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Mangoe: I think I didn't properly ping you in my reply above, my apologies, but I'd appreciate your thoughts on these alternative hooks. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 21:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Asim Waqif

  • ... that Indian artist Asim Waqif makes his art using waste materials like rope, tar, trashed metal or reclaimed wood and bamboo? Source

Created by BahrdozsBulafka (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, was created and expanded on said date, and is properly cited. Hook is fine and has multiple citations as well, info is present in given source. Would maybe recommend just writing it as "... trashed metal, reclaimed, wood, and bamboo?" for consistency. One comment I have for the article is how the publisher of the citations are formatted — for example, w/ the New York Times citations, they really should all have The New York Times as a publisher, not "NYtimes.com" or "via - NYtimes.com". Same formatting issue for all the other web citations. Aside from that, just to confirm, have you done a QPQ, or do you not need to do one (have less than 5 DYK credits)? What a pro (talk, contribs) 08:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator hasn't edited since the day after nominating this, and the above issues remain unaddressed. Unless they return or another editor fixes the citation formatting issues, this is now marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 26[]


Dark Chocolate
Dark Chocolate

5x expanded by Emilyhawthorne (talk). Self-nominated at 07:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg What a delicious DYK. Although Earwig shows 33.8%, I find it likely to be a result of WP:CIRCULAR/copied from Wikipedia. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 14:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the more I read into it, the more I wonder if the article is really quoting the sources. I just removed a few cites that didn't mention chocolate at all. The source given for the hook on this template doesn't mention chocolate either. I think this article needs to be looked at by someone familiar with medical writing. Yoninah (talk) 02:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I have reviewed your comments and made relevant changes in the article chocoholic in regards to citations. I have also updated the citation given in the first hook above to make it more relevant to the correlation between chocolate and genetics. Thank you for your comments and feedback. Emilyhawthorne (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg 05:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Great Vancouver Fire

  • ... that shortly after Vancouver was incorporated as a city it was destroyed by the Great Vancouver Fire? Sources: Vancouver is ashes Lisa Smith 2014 "with explosive fury, the fire sweeps through Vancouver's city core, devouring every building in its path.", James Matthews Volume 1 Vancouver Historical Journal 1958 p.32-42, peititon for incorporation p. 32-33, timeline for passing of incorporation bill p.35 [34]
    • ALT1:... that shortly after Vancouver was incorporated as a city it was destroyed by the Great Vancouver Fire which started as two land clearing fires?
    • ALT2:... that shortly after Vancouver was incorporated as a city it was destroyed by the Great Vancouver Fire which reduced the city to "ashes"? Source: telegram sent from Vancouver Mayor MacLean to the Canadian Prime Minister June 13, 1886 "Our city is ashes three thousand people homeless can you send us any government aid" found in Vancouver is ashes Lisa Smith 2014

5x expanded by Clemlivy aikensnaps (talk). Self-nominated at 01:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Expansion is new enough, long enough, and well-written. Good sources. To condense the hook I'm proposing an ALT3: "... that the 1886 Great Vancouver Fire reduced the new Canadian city to "ashes"?" Also I'm a new nominator, and would like a second opinion. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check ALT3, and also to give a second review, which does not mention neutrality or close paraphrasing/copyvio checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I was asked to have a look at this on my talk page. This is technically an automatic DYK fail because of the maintenance tag. Having no page numbers for any of the cited books/journal articles makes it impossible to verify anything because no one is going to (or should be expected to) read a whole book looking for the cited material, let alone a whole bibliography. That really needs to be fixed before anything else can go forward here. ♠PMC(talk) 14:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Inserting maybe/no icon as per comments above. Flibirigit (talk) 09:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Namikawa Sōsuke

Vases by Namikawa Sōsuke
Vases by Namikawa Sōsuke
  • ... that Namikawa Sōsuke and Namikawa Yasuyuki, famous enamel artists of Meiji era Japan, (work pictured) were unrelated, despite identically pronounced family names? "Wagener's advice was a critical factor in the careers of the two most famous enamelers of the Meiji Era, Namikawa Yasuyuki (1845-1927) of Kyoto and Namikawa Sosuke (1847-1910) of Tokyo. Despite their identically pronounced surnames (which are, however, written with quite different Chinese characters), the two men were unrelated, an odd fact which only served to heighten Western amazement at the seemingly miraculous output of their respective factories" Earle, Joe (1999). Splendors of Meiji : treasures of imperial Japan : masterpieces from the Khalili Collection. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Broughton International Inc. p. 254. ISBN 1874780137. OCLC 42476594.
  • ALT1 ... that Namikawa Sōsuke and Namikawa Yasuyuki, famous enamel artists of Meiji era Japan (work pictured) with identically pronounced family names, were unrelated?

5x expanded by MartinPoulter (talk). Self-nominated at 13:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on May 28[]

2020 Iran gasoline export to Venezuela

  • Reviewed: coming soon

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The page is tagged with a move request. Meanwhile, there is no QPQ and the hook has too much repetition in it ("Iranian"..."Iranian"...""Venezuela"..."Venezuelan"). Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah: Thanks for the review. You're clearly right with regard to the repetition. As for the move, we should wait for the result. But, meanwhile, what happens if the article is moved and filled with more general materials? --Mhhossein talk 13:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mhhossein: you can always suggest a new hook based on additional material. If the page is moved, please don't move this template; I'll take care of the re-formatting. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Ok I will not touch it. --Mhhossein talk 13:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

We Are One (global collaboration song)

Official artwork of the song
Official artwork of the song
  • ... that Kashan Admani has brought 40 musicians from 7 countries to collaborate for a song "We Are One" and give a message of hope and togetherness to the global population affected by COVID19" (pictured)?
    • ALT1:... that the song "We Are One" features Grammy-winning violinist Charlie Bisharat, drummer Simon Phillips, Dr. Palash Sen, and many others?
  • Comment: Please save this nomination for a couple of days so it may be on the main page.

Created by Aanuarif (talk). Self-nominated at 22:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

Survey of Palestine

The 1930 survey of the Jaffa Municipality (red), showing townships of Jaffa (green) and Tel Aviv (blue)
The 1930 survey of the Jaffa Municipality (red), showing townships of Jaffa (green) and Tel Aviv (blue)
  • ... that the Survey of Palestine only carried out an ownership survey of the land which became Israel, but not the land which became the West Bank? Sources: Essaid 2013, p. 99: “... during the Mandate the land and villages of Palestine that currently make up the territory of the West Bank did not undergo a cadastral survey until after 1948.”

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 17:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment Hook is not interesting. It is often that parts of a region are mapped, but not others. buidhe 09:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Buidhe, thank you – I had to think about this, and have concluded that you are right. It reads like "the countries split apart and only one was surveyed", which is dull. What it was trying to say is that "when immigrants came and settled the land the colonial authorities only bothered to carry out a detailed survey of the area that the immigrants were interested in, ignoring everyone else." Onceinawhile (talk) 13:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Nice little article, informative, hook seems fine to me. Selfstudier (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Some alternative hooks for consideration below:

Onceinawhile (talk) 08:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Rakkestad

Created by (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 03:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Consider holding this for 6 August, the anniversary of the battle, since it's only two months away. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 29[]

Edmund Kurtz

ALT2:... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's edition of Bach's cello suites were exclusively based on the manuscripts of Anna Magdalena Bach? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=2lHPUtMFkPoC, p. 73
ALT3:... that the cellist Edmund Kurtz's edition of the Bach cello suites has been considered to be his "most important contribution to the development of the art of the cello"? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=2lHPUtMFkPoC, p. 73

Created by Zingarese (talk). Self-nominated at 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done.
  • I've struck the first hook because it focuses more on Toscanini than Kurtz. I find the ALT1 hook rather wordy. Is there any way you could focus on one fact in a hooky way? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you Yoninah. Hmm.. ALT2 focuses on the fact that the edition was based exclusively on facsimile manuscripts by Anna Magdalena Bach, but that probably is not interesting to people who know nothing about editions of classical masterworks. ALT3 maybe is more interesting to a broad audience. Your thoughts? Zingarese talk · contribs 19:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the alts. I personally don't like long quotes in an article or hook, especially when such simple words could easily be paraphrased. Here's another idea:
  • ALT4: ... that Edmund Kurtz left a 20-year career as a principal cellist in European and American orchestras to launch a solo career, performing for another 40 years? (This hook would need something added to the article about when his solo career ended.)
  • If you still want to focus on the facsimile edition, you could avoid the quoted text this way:
  • ALT5: ... that Edmund Kurtz's edition of Bach cello suites, published in 1983, is recognized as one of his greatest achievements? (But you see how this really isn't so hooky.)
  • BTW Kurtz isn't even mentioned on the Cello Suites (Bach) page. Yoninah (talk) 19:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Dear Yoninah, that's true, but frankly a lot is missing from the Cello Suites (Bach) article. There is very little discussion about the individual movements of each suite and no discussion at all about discography... Anyways, at this point my strong preference would be with ALT5. As for ALT4, sources presume that he continued his solo career until his death. Zingarese talk · contribs 03:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK. In the absence of other information from which to write a more interesting hook, ALT5 will have to do. Since I wrote the hook, we need another editor to finish this review.
  • @Zingarese: I should have been more specific in my last post. I meant that you should add a line, or at least a "See also" link, to this article on the Cello Suites (Bach) page. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Kids on the Slope, Yuki Kodama, Music of Kids on the Slope

Yoko Kanno
Yoko Kanno
  • ... that motion capture for Kids on the Slope, an anime series adapted from a manga by Yuki Kodama, was performed by jazz musicians the director and composer found on YouTube? Source: "Making of Kids on the Slope, Session 1: Interview with Shinichirō Watanabe" on Kids on the Slope, Complete Collection (DVD)
    • ALT1:... that to prepare for Kids on the Slope, an anime series adapted from a manga by Yuki Kodama, composer Yoko Kanno (pictured) researched studio recording techniques of the 1950s and 1960s? Source: "Making of Kids on the Slope, Session 2: Interview with Yoko Kanno" on Kids on the Slope, Complete Collection (DVD)
    • ALT1a... that to create the soundtrack for Kids on the Slope, an anime series adapted from a manga by Yuki Kodama, composer Yoko Kanno (pictured) researched studio recording techniques of the 1950s and 1960s? Source: "Making of Kids on the Slope, Session 2: Interview with Yoko Kanno" on Kids on the Slope, Complete Collection (DVD)
    • ALT2:... that the soundtrack to Kids on the Slope, an anime adapted from a manga by Yuki Kodama, features American jazz musicians Art Blakey and Bill Evans? Source: cited in articles

5x expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

  • I'll be claiming Kids on the Slope for review (I'm not sure if I have the time to review the other article), but it's getting late where I live so I'll try to finish by tomorrow. My preferred hook is ALT0 since it's catchy and might interest those who aren't interested in anime (with the mention of YouTube and motion capture and all). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for taking up this review. Note that I've added a third article to the nomination (third QPQ to come), so I've struck ALT0 and ALT1. Morgan695 (talk) 23:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Just took a quick look at this (I apologize for not starting the review earlier, I wasn't feeling very well yesterday) and while this isn't a DYK issue and won't affect the review for this nomination in any way, if you're planning to take Kids on the Slope to GA I'd suggest you try finding some more Japanese reception for the series (this may include disc sales numbers or other data), as well as more information about the live-action film if possible. As for the hook, this is probably one of the rare cases where I'd suggest that individual hooks might work out better than a multiple-article one. For example, the Kids on the Slope article by itself seems to have plenty of material that could work as hooks individually, whether it be on the portrayal of Christianity in Japan, or the motion capture stuff I highlighted above, and having a multiple article hook would mean these options won't be given a chance. Possible options could be to propose more hooks that feature Kidd on the Slope alone or perhaps at most just the main article plus the mangaka's article, while the music of article could have individual hooks proposed as well. I'll finish the review once these concerns have been addressed, but so far the series article doesn't seem to fail any DYK criteria. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Ehh, multiple hooks for such a specific, niche topic feels like overkill. Would prefer to keep all three in one hook if possible. Morgan695 (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Hooks about niche topics can work provided they're worded in a way they'd appeal to broad audiences. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Just to make it clear: I'm not rejecting any of the three article hooks, merely suggesting that additional hooks be proposed so that the eventual promoter can have several choices on what to promote. More hooks means more choices, and that can be a good thing if there's several interesting facts to choose from. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it's best to keep all articles in one hook, as Yuki Kodama and Music of Kids on the Slope are most interesting to a general audience in the context of their relation to Kids on the Slope. If this represents an impasse that makes you unable to review this nomination, please refer the nom to another editor. Thanks! Morgan695 (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:Narutolovehinata5, it's been a week since you claimed this DYK. Can you please provide an update on the status of your review? Morgan695 (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
As I mentioned before, I would prefer if additional hooks would be proposed, mainly to give promoters more choices since there's just too much interesting content across the three articles to be limited to so few choices. The Kids on the Slope article is actually fine and more-or-less meets requirements, though as mentioned above I'd encourage more Japanese reception being added to the article (this is more in case you want to nominate it for GA and would not affect the DYK nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT2-A... that the depiction of Catholicism in Japan in Kids on the Slope, an anime series adapted from a manga by Yuki Kodama, has been compared to The Singing Nun and Sister Act? Source: Holy Anime!
ALT2-B... that the the soundtrack to the manga and anime series Kids on the Slope features American jazz musicians Art Blakey and Bill Evans? Source: CD soundtrack(s) cited in article
@User:Narutolovehinata5 Alt hooks above. Would like to again re-iterate that I believe this nomination works works best as a single hook. If this remains an impasse, I would again recommend referring this nomination to another editor. Morgan695 (talk) 23:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Kids on the Slope meets DYK requirements as being adequately sourced and having been expanded on time, with no closee paraphrasing detected. Some hook facts are cited offline so I'm assuming good faith for those. QPQ has been done for this article. Owing to a lack of time I will leave the review of the other two articles as well as the choice of hooks to another editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 30[]

Shooting of Jamarion Robinson

Created by BarrelProof (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: I personally think ALT1 is more interesting and is adequately supported by sources, but some people might find it inflammatory. There are also other aspects that could alternatively be included as the hook, such as the lack of use of body cameras, the nearly three-minute duration of the shooting, and the flash-bang grenade. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - Refs #3 ([37]), #4 ([38]) and #6 ([39]) give me an "Access Denied" error—this is likely just be a geolocation problem on my end, but archiving the links would be helpful.
  • Neutral: Red XN -
    • "The case was highlighted as an example of alleged excessive force by law enforcement officers, potential systemic racism in law enforcement, a lack of sensitivity in police interaction with mentally ill people, a lack of transparency surrounding the actions of police officers" – Strong claims like these in the lead need multiple high-quality sources, but as far as I can see these facts have none.
    • "Paul Howard ... was frustrated in his efforts to obtain information about it" — if this is "frustrate" as in the emotion, then the sources don't say this and it needs rewriting. If it's "to frustrate" as in "to be disrupted" then better wording can be chosen.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Red XN - Close paraphrasing issues—we do need to keep legally contentious information as accurate as possible, but wording cannot be copied this exactly:
    • From AJC: rephrase "fired a gun at police during a previous confrontation" and rewrite "The officers named in the suit were from the Atlanta Police, East Point Police, Fulton County Police, Clayton County Fire and Police departments, Fayette County Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Marshals Service" (you could name the organizations in alphabetical order instead).
    • From KIII: rephrase "arrest Robinson at the request of Gwinnett and Atlanta police departments" and "for allegedly pointing a gun at officers and then running away when confronted at a friend's apartment complex".
    • From Fox: change the first word of "blocked his prosecutors from interviewing the officers who" to "prevented".
  • Other problems: Red XN - "It was reported that U.S. Marshals were never wearing body cameras"—remove italics (shouldn't be used for emphasis).

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - Can you give me quotes for each of the relevant facts in ALT1? I can't access ref #3 but #8 only says McCall was methodical as he observed a blood trail going down the stairs as if Jamarion’s body was dragged down the steps after being shot (emphasis mine), so why are we saying this as fact?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I think the inflammatory issue here is in conflating the shooting incident and the refusal to co-operate with an investigation. I think we need to choose one or the other. ALT0 is good for the latter (and I'll approve it if you choose it). For the former, I'll offer the following, which I think is better and fully acceptable, but I will warn that there's a higher risk of it getting pulled by an admin or complainant later in the process:
  • ALT2: ... that after Jamarion Robinson was shot 59 times by police officers, his body was handcuffed and dragged down a flight of stairs?
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg

  • Thanks for the comment on the talk page explaining the 59/76 dispute; it seems clear to me that 59 is the correct figure.
  • I've not checked everything in the article head to toe but after the above issues are fixed, I will do a couple of spotchecks and not pass the review until I'm confident that everything is correct, given the highly WP:BLP-sensitive nature of the topic, so you might want to go over the article again and make sure everything is tightly verified.
  • This is an article we've desperately needed for months or years now, so thank you for your hard work in its creation and expansion. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 13:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the helpful review. It may take me some time to address all points adequately. I believe I've taken care of the manner of listing the police departments. About the italics, I'm not sure whether you're just suggesting to use "{{em|never}}" instead of " ''never'' " or to remove the italics altogether. MOS:EMPHASIS seems to allow emphasis, but if the emphasis is not appropriate, it is easily removed. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Huh, this is my mistake. I was suggesting removal because I thought it was against MOS but apparently not. I would still recommend removal because I don't think it's necessary and I think it brings an emotive tone to the sentence which goes against NPOV, but use {{em}} if you feel strongly on keeping it. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 08:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
  • At this point I believe I have resolved all of the identified problems. I added source citations for each entry in the list of highlighted issues in the lead section and provided archive links for the three sources that were difficult to access. One source for the treatment of the body and the scene is in the WMAZ-TV article: "The family questions why, after so many bullets fired, police still felt the need to handcuff Robinson behind his back and drag him from the second floor landing to the living room. Robinson was also found by the medical examiner, wearing an oxygen re-breathing mask." The Barnes Rolling Out article of August 15, 2016, describes the scene at the top of the stairs and the blood trail down the stairs to the living room, "McCall was methodical as he observed a blood trail going down the stairs as if Jamarion’s body was dragged down the steps after being shot. At the top of the stairwell, there was a large pool of blood soaking into the carpet.". I was using "frustrate" in the sense of being blocked from progress rather than in the emotional sense. I have rephrased that aspect and removed the {{em}} use that we discussed. The sourcing seems unquestionable for the ALT0 hook, so perhaps we should just use that. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Manik Bagh

Furniture pieces from Manik Bagh, designed by Émile-Jacques Ruhlmann in 1932
Furniture pieces from Manik Bagh, designed by Émile-Jacques Ruhlmann in 1932

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. Sources seem OK (I made some edits to the article and filled in the references which were bare URLs) and seems free of plagiarism (Earwig's Copyvio Detector stands at 0%!). Pic OK. All hooks are cited. I don't like ALT0 since Muthesius is not a particularly well-known architect, but ALT1 and ALT2 are both OK. I prefer ALT1, and I am proposing a slight rewording of it:

The QPQ still needs to be done, and once this is done it would be good to go. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 23:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Bail fund

  • that an early bail fund was created in 1920 by the ACLU? [43]
    • ALT1:that community bail funds provide bail for those who can't afford it before trial? [44]

Created/expanded by Phoebe (talk). Self-nominated at 21:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - I'm not "hooked" by either of these hooks. I recommend adapting ALT0 but with some more information or an interesting detail. Here's three of my own, listed from my favourite to least favourite (all from the UCLA Criminal Justice Law Review ref). Let me know if any work for you, in which case you'll need to incorporate the relevant facts into the article:
    • ALT2: ... that one of the earliest U.S. bail funds was founded by the American Civil Liberties Union in 1920, within a year of the organization's creation? (Only eight months after the ACLU’s founding on January 19, 1920, the nascent organization, ...)
    • ALT3: ... that a bail fund was started by the American Civil Liberties Union in 1920 to release people arrested for sedition? (its plans to create a “radical bail fund” of $300,000 with the goal of “free[ing] rad-icals, prosecuted under the sedition laws . . . .”)
    • ALT4: ... that the first recorded major U.S. bail fund was started by the American Civil Liberties Union in 1920? ("The first example of a large-scale organized bail fund recorded in United States history was created in 1920 by the American Civil Liber-ties Union (ACLU)")
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg We've been years overdue for this article, so thank you for your work in its creation. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 14:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 31[]

Lillie Hall

Lillie Hall, 1903
Lillie Hall, 1903
  • ... that Lillie Hall (pictured), a combined car showroom and workshop, was run by Charles Rolls before he co-founded Rolls-Royce? Source: "Charles Stewart Rolls (1877-1910). Rolls was a keen driver who was well known in the car world, having taken part in many races of the time. In 1906 he founded Rolls-Royce Ltd with Sir Frederick Henry Royce (1863-1933), creating one of the world's most famous motoring companies. Prior to the establishment of the company, Rolls sold imported French cars in London. Lillie Hall was one of his first showrooms." ([45])
    • ALT1:... that Charles Rolls's first car showroom, Lillie Hall (pictured), was on the site of a disused skating rink? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Edwardx (talk), Whispyhistory (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 12:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article creation date versus nomination filing date acceptable. Article length okay at 1835 B (313 words) readable prose size. Sourcing okay, neutrality okay, no evident signs of copyvio. QPQ done. Hook lengths okay, neutrality okay. ALT0 sourcing is confirmed, ALT1 sourcing is AGF in book. ALT1 is a little hookier, in that it may intrigue readers into clicking through to find out if this person is the Rolls in Rolls-Royce.
Not sure about the image licensing, however. It has copyright notices on the https://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10316386 page, and the metadata for the image itself says "© Science Museum Archive / Science&Society Picture Libr". I'm not sure if the {{PD-UK-unknown}} tag is really justified here. Have you contacted the Science Museum Group to see if they are okay with this image being added to Commons? Wasted Time R (talk) 11:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
We don't need their permission. It's an anonymous image from 1903. Institutions often falsely claim copyright on images whose copyright has long expired. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know UK copyright law. But the {{PD-UK-unknown}} text implies that declaring it public domain is only allowed if "the author is unknown and cannot be ascertained by reasonable enquiry". The description at the picture library page is somewhat specific – it says it's from an album of prints collected by Rolls. Maybe there is some indication in that physical album of who took it - a caption under the print, or some writing on the back of the print. So I think an inquiry to the Science Museum Group is warranted here. Now if you are saying that even if the author is known, a print from 1903 is out of copyright, then you need a different license tag that says that. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
In my experience they would already have stated the photographer if they knew it as such details are recorded when photographs are added to collections. I think it is clear they don't know and relying on the Science Museum's own page is sufficient enquiry. Either way, I don't think they will access the album and reply to us now when everything is closed. I will look at it further. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Fast Mail (Southern Railway)

5x expanded by Slambo (talk). Self-nominated at 14:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

  • General eligibility:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - The subsidy (federal or state?) is not mentioned clearly in the article.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I suggest using "federal government" or "federal subsidy" in ALT1 to avoid confusion.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Needs further expansion to meet the length requirement. I find ALT1 to be more interesting, though perhaps another hook about how it only operated for five years would work. SounderBruce 03:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't able to easily make a word count calculation from when I started adding to this article. As to the verifiability... The article cited quotes in the first sentence of paragraph two: "This is the last of the fast mail trains, that received a bonus for its extra service in carrying the United States mail." This newspaper article calls it a bonus, but other newspaper citations, including Journal and Tribune (March 9, 1906), Farmer and Mechanic (April 17, 1906), and The Union Republican (December 13, 1906) (all of which are cited in the relevant paragraph in the History section) call it a subsidy and together corroborate that it was the last fast mail train to receive such a subsidy.
I'll see about adding more detail and expanding it further today. Slambo (Speak) 16:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
My reasoning for the increase in article size qualification is the byte count as shown in the article history. The edit before my additions showed the article size at 2,148 bytes, while the article size at my last edit before today (on June 1, 2020) was 17,880 bytes. Slambo (Speak) 16:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Slambo, the five-fold requirement is based on prose size and can be calculated using DYKcheck. The pre-expansion version (from November 29) had 1334 prose characters, and the current version (from June 1) has 6,168. SounderBruce 17:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. The target isn't that much further, about 500 characters, so a little bit of background about fast mail trains in general would help to get it over the base count. I was looking through my personal library of books (some of which are on my LibraryThing catalog) and magazines but saw more about the service type in general or as practiced by other railroads rather than about this train specifically. Slambo (Speak) 16:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
I've made a start on some background text. I could add more, but tried to stick with just the most relevant information. I haven't added the script noted above yet, but my word processor (OpenOffice.org) says that the prose in the new background section is 1441 characters long. Slambo (Speak) 03:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Slambo: Thanks for linking to LibraryThing...never knew it existed, and glad that it's now free. I've been maintaining my own spreadsheet but it's not as presentable.
For the article: I don't think some of the background subsection is needed here in this article, as it would presumably be covered in an overview article like mail train. It can be reduced by a bit and still meet the five-fold requirement (FYI, the block quote is not included in the character count). SounderBruce 05:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Mood Ring (song)

Created by Status (talk) and Markuskrgr (talk). Nominated by Status (talk) at 21:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg While this the article is new, long enough, is most probably within policy, and a QPQ has been done, it fails criterion #3, "cited hook". The hook is cited to reference #3, which is an Instagram post, which makes it self-published, failing WP:RS. If you can find a reference that satisfies WP:RS about the hook, I can check if the rest of the article is suitable enough. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Replacing with this icon as the issue here is easily surmountable and the nomination shouldn't be closed just yet. From previous cases, hooks being based on self-published sources have been allowed in limited cases, usually when the information is not controversial and the source is either the subject themselves or otherwise related to a fact given in the subject's article. Of course, a better source would still be needed here as the Instagram post doesn't seem to make the link to The Chainsmokers explicit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1[]

Articles created/expanded on June 2[]

More & More (Twice song)

5x expanded by Ashleyyoursmile (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

Shooting of David McAtee

Created by Fram (talk) and (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 22:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This is an informative article and the hook is good. Piped link is better pointing to Police body camera. Please add the weblink to the citation here and on the article put it on the previous sentence to reference the claim directly. Then it's good to go. Mujinga (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I've changed the destination for the piped link. Fram, can you handle the sourcing request from Mujinga? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Visit Nepal 2020

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 14:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 3[]

Fred Sargeant

  • Reviewed: No QPQ required (second time nominator)
  • Date request: June 28 (anniversary of Christopher Street Liberation Day)

Created by Lilipo25 (talk). Nominated by Autumnking2012 (talk) at 19:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

Molchat Doma

  • ... that a song by Belarusian rock band Molchat Doma reached number two on the Spotify Viral 50 chart after it gained popularity on video sharing platform TikTok? Source: Variety — "the act’s song “Судно (Sudno)” is trending on Spotify’s Viral 50 chart worldwide, rising as high as No. 2 ... Unusually, the song has taken off on TikTok several times already this year", Dazed — "the videos are usually soundtracked by Belarusian post-punk band Molchat Doma’s “Судно” which has gotten pretty big across the platform in recent weeks"
    • ALT1: ... that a song by Belarusian rock band Molchat Doma reached number two on the Spotify Viral 50 chart after it was frequently used as background music on video sharing platform TikTok? Source: Variety, Dazed

5x expanded by Aria1561 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

Only Human (Jonas Brothers song)

  • Comment: The first source is a direct link to the interview whereas the second source is written in Spanish, and was translated using Google translate.

5x expanded by Ashleyyoursmile (talk). Self-nominated at 12:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC).

Adesh Kumar Gupta

  • Reviewed: not required for having less than 5 DYK credits
  • Comment: I tried to find sources in English but failed. There is huge coverage in national Hindi dailies and, not surprisingly, some relevant facts are only covered by them

Created by Deepak G Goswami (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC).

Roses and Castles

A tray painted with Roses and Castles
A tray painted with Roses and Castles
  • ... that the "gaudy" stylised floral paintings used to decorate narrowboats and their fittings (example pictured) may have originated from decorations on Romani wagons? "The most generally accepted theory sees som connection between Romany gypsies and the boatmen [...] the floral decorations would be a continuation of their way of life" (Lewery, 1974, p26–27); "There are obvious links with traveller culture and their elaborately painted caravans" (CRT, undated); "gaudy" quote per article, reproduced verbatim in Lewery, 1974, p26

Created/expanded by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Hi MIDI, review follows: article created 3 June; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the online sources, AGF on the offline works; hook is interesting and mentioned in the article; hook partly verified by online sources, partly offline (AGF); a QPQ has been carried out. Excellent work, my dad occasionally used to paint these for boatmen so it's nice to see an article on this style - Dumelow (talk) 04:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Doh, forgot the image. Did you paint the tray yourself? If so the tag is correct. Otherwise, I think as a representation of two dimensional artwork the original artwork needs to be public domain also - Dumelow (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Ah, damn. Yeah you're right. I've definitely got some items somewhere that I could photograph and get permission (painted by family members etc. who would be happy for it to be used) so if we can hold off on this for a few days I'll try to get something sorted—it seems a missed opportunity to run an art-related hook without a depiction of the style! MIDI (talk) 09:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Sure thing, not a problem. Just give me a ping when you're ready - Dumelow (talk) 11:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Die BIF – Blätter Idealer Frauenfreundschaften

Die BIF, 2nd issue 1927
Die BIF, 2nd issue 1927
  • ... that Die BIF (pictured) was the world's first lesbian magazine where only women were in charge? Source: [6] in text
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Denis Barthel (talk). Self-nominated at 20:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Article is an interesting read! Hook is ok, suggest taking out "in 1927" for added hookiness, could also wikilink lesbian magazines or lesbian. QPQ needs to be done, feel free to ask for help if it's not clear what needs to be done. Pic is ok but maybe File:BIF_Titelblatt_192x.jpg would stand out better at 120 x 133 px, being a bit more colour defined? Mujinga (talk) 18:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Angels Ain't Listening

Created/expanded by Eurohunter (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC).


  1. Anders Öhrman (2 June 2020). "Det är många i samhället som sätter på sig en mask för att låtsas må bra" [Many people in society put on a mask to pretend to feel good]. QX (in Swedish). Retrieved 3 June 2020.
  2. Jonathan Currinn (3 June 2020). "Basshunter Releases New Single "Angels Ain't Listening"". CelebMix. Retrieved 3 June 2020.

Articles created/expanded on June 4[]

Police abolition movement

"Defund the police" sign held by a demonstrator at a George Floyd protest on June 5, 2020
"Defund the police" sign held by a demonstrator at a George Floyd protest on June 5, 2020
  • ... that defunding the police is being demanded by protestors (pictured) and proposed by legislators in multiple US cities? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/defund-police-floyd-protests.html “'We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department,' Jeremiah Ellison, a member of the City Council, said on Twitter this week. 'And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together,' he added. 'We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response.' " "At least three others, including the City Council president, Lisa Bender, have also called for taking the Police Department apart." "Minneapolis is not the only city asking the question. Across the country, calls to defund, downsize or abolish police departments are gaining new traction"

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg LittleT889 (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook reads like a news item. Could you say anything more interesting about the subject? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, thanks. I'm not sure the hook still works, anyway, as another article has been created at Defund the police, which might have turned the boldlink into an easter egg. The article's had huge additions by multiple editors, I'll go give it a read and see what's there. —valereee (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, I think the demand in question (abolishing the police) sounds radical enough that simply stating that it is being made is plenty hooky. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Vanamonde. But first we have this merge tag to deal with. Yoninah (talk) 14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Etienne Karita

  • ... that Etienne Karita helped bring HIV research back to Rwanda after the genocide?
  • Comment: Moved to the mainspace on June 19

Created by Globe17 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC).

Black Birders Week, Earyn McGee, Corina Newsome

Earyn McGee in 2020
Earyn McGee in 2020
  • ... that ornithologist Corina Newsome and herpetologist Earyn McGee (pictured) held events as part of the inaugural Black Birders Week, an effort to celebrate black nature enthusiasts? Source: The scientific specialties are cited in the first lines of their respective articles. Participation in events is cited in the last sentence of the first paragraph of the 2020 Series section in Black Birders Week. The aim of the movement is cited in the opening sentence of the same article.

Created by Gthh (talk) (McGee and Newsome) and DarTar (talk) (event). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: I’d like to make sure activist Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman is credited and included in the list, not only because she created the event, but also because she was the target of a vicious attempt to erase her name from the list of organizers by an anonymous account who flagged all articles for deletion.—DarTar (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Andy Auld (Royal Navy officer)

Created by Lightburst (talk), Nigel Ish (talk), MilborneOne (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 01:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

  • Striking ALT0, as it is too vague and subjective. How is "success" measured? Striking ALT2 and ALT3 because they are not phrased as a question, and again subjective characterization as "succesful". buidhe 00:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Remove strikes. put in question marks. You could have done that too, User:Buidhe 7&6=thirteen () 12:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
"Successful" is a subjective criterion and should never be used unattributed in a DYK hook or for that matter, a WP article. Restored strikes because this aspect was never addressed. buidhe 12:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Coronation of the Thai monarch is the QPQ. 7&6=thirteen () 13:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Consider changing in the hook the words the Sea Harrier to a short take-off and vertical landing jet fighter and then linking those words to British Aerospace Sea Harrier.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
In my suggestion maybe even just link "jet fighter" to British Aerospace Sea Harrier.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Republic XP-69

Republic XP-69 wind tunnel model
Republic XP-69 wind tunnel model

Converted from a redirect by ZLEA (talk). Self-nominated at 02:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I am concerned about the reliability of [www.joebaugher.com www.joebaugher.com], which is the cited source. While it cites its own sources, from first glance it appears to be a personal blog of some kind. Assuming no QPQ is required, this otherwise meets the requirements. CMD (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis Joe Baugher is one of the top aviation authors and researchers. Though his website may look like a poorly constructed blog, the information on it is well researched and even used for research by many other aviation authors. - ZLEA T\C 14:08, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, the website is a poorly constructed blog with excellent looking information. However, I don't know if that information qualifies it as an RS. Has the website been discussed at WP:RS/N or elsewhere on Wikipedia regarding its reliability? CMD (talk) 14:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Perhaps MilborneOne would know. - ZLEA T\C 16:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps it's worth inquiring at WP:WikiProject Aircraft or WP:WikiProject Military history? CMD (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I've brought it up here. - ZLEA T\C 14:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 5[]

Albanese Candy

5x expanded by Linguaddict (talk), Toughpigs (talk), Lightburst (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 00:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman
Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

Created by Yul B. Allwright (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: I think the suggested hook is inaccurate, because she is not yet an ECONOMIST. Ms Opoku-Agyeman is an activist, a writer, and a student of economics. She has been influential in the field of economics for her organizing work and writing about the field, but not thus far for her own research or teaching. I have no objection to ALT1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
    • One does not become an economist by getting a graduate degree in economics. One becomes an economist by practicing economics. "She has simultaneously held an appointment as a visiting research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research." would indicate that she meets that standard. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
      • I’m having difficulty verifying that Visiting Research Fellow is even a position at the NBER (see Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman#Dubious).
        Even ignoring that, it’s a stretch to call someone an economist when they do not have an economics degree (besides a minor in Economics), do not have economics publications (besides blog posts), and have not been described by independent RSes as an economist. Just go with ALT1. — MarkH21talk 11:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Please take a look at the way "economist" is used to describe notable people in Wikipedia. Look at the pages in lists such as List of economists--all of these people who work as economists in the 21st Century have PhDs. There is a reason that all of the economist categories were removed from this page, after much discussion among editors. And note that while "Faculty Research Fellows" at the NBER are highly competitive positions for economists, "Visiting Research Fellow" is a different title used for post-BA students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
  • I will leave it to the reviewer to decide whether the sources support ALT0 or not. That's why ALT1 exists. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Off-topic discussion about the now-closed AfD.
:* Comment: The article may have survived its AfD nomination due to the subject's blatant Twitter canvassing, but it's still pretty much an open question whether solicited biographies like this should remain in Wikipedia. I would refrain from prominently featuring it on DYK in the meantime. --bender235 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Good Grief! You made your opinion quite clear in that AfD discussion, and other active, experienced editors disagreed with you. It's absurd to say that the article survived AfD due to the subject's Twitter posts when we don't know how the AfD discussion would have evolved otherwise. (I argued that the page should be Kept before I saw the Twitter posts, and I wasn't alone.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
  • As elaborated here, more than 20 of the roughly 35 Wikipedians commenting on the AfD had practically dormant accounts (no contribution in more than a month prior), including seven single-purpose accounts only created to dump a comment and leave. Clearly those people only showed up because of canvassing. As you may recall, the AfD was closed without prejudice. --bender235 (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Of the at least 10 active Wikipedians commenting on the AfD, you appeared to be one of two arguing for Delete. If we ignore all of the dormant accounts, new accounts, and IP addresses, the discussion might likely have ended in Keep anyways. In your opinion, is any AfD ever truly closed?--EAWH (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There are AfDs that reach a clear-cut decision in either direction, there are AfDs that don't reach consensus, and there are AfDs that are upended because of a deliberate sabotage of the process. The AfD we're talking about falls in the third category. --bender235 (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 6[]

Stephanie Pollack

Created by EoRdE6 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC).

Leila Hassan

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 15:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

Great! Happy with the hookier ALT1 (Lajmmoore (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC))

Mark Ormrod (Royal Marine)

  • ... that Mark Ormrod was the UK's first triple amputee of Operation Herrick? Source: "Mayhew, Emily (2017). A Heavy Reckoning: War, Medicine and Survival in Afghanistan and Beyond. p.82

Created/expanded by Woody (talk). Self-nominated at 16:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC).

Abdur Rahman Peshawari

  • Comment: This article was created many years back, however I have made some additions and expansions to it recently. Mar4d (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

5x expanded by Mar4d (talk). Self-nominated at 13:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg It is a very interesting article, well referenced, and generally within the policy. Expansion happened recently, but it hasn't met the 5x criteria because the March 2020 version (before the June expansion) has 2,754 characters of text, while the current one has 10116. To be ineligible, it needs 2,754x5 = 13,770 so unfortunately more content is needed. Note that only the text counts for the 5x calculation; images, captions, infobox templates, references, etc. do not. Let me know if it is still possible to expand the content.

Both hooks are verified, but I prefer the ALT1 because the fact asserted is more concrete. I would suggest rewriting sentences like "His career in the future of the newly-created Turkish state ended prematurely when he was shot in the back during an assassination attempt in Istanbul in 1925" and "He left a respected legacy in Turkey" to be more neutral and less editorialized, but for the most part this article is well written. HaEr48 (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@HaEr48: That's so close. Is there still time to expand this to meet the threshold?VR talk 14:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, in my experience nominators are given time to still expand the article in these kind of cases, so I am giving the nominator some time here. HaEr48 (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks HaEr48 and Vice regent for your comments. HaEr48, thanks in particular for taking the time to review the article, I appreciate it thoroughly. I seem to have made an error in the way I calculated the 5x expansion and would like to apologise.
Although there are some informative excerpts in Faiz Ahmed's book, which could be used to salvage another extra couple of lines, I'm not entirely confident if I have the time or focus to be able to bring the article to the required threshold you noted. Could you perhaps set a deadline, failing which, this DYK can be closed with no further action? I feel if I have that as a reference instead, I just might be able to get around to it. Mar4d (talk) 16:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Mar4d: Okay. I'd say, 1 week from this comment? Thank you and all the best! HaEr48 (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@HaEr48: Sounds fair. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 16:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Black suffrage in the United States

1876 cartoon illustrating opposition to African Americans suffrage
1876 cartoon illustrating opposition to African Americans suffrage
  • ... that after the American Civil War, Reconstruction era laws enabled black suffrage, but in practice, African Americans still faced obstacles to voting? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)Swinney, Everette (1962). "Enforcing the Fifteenth Amendment, 1870–1877". Journal of Southern History. 28#2 (2): 202–218. doi:10.2307/2205188. JSTOR 2205188.

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 07:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Looks good content-wise. Stylistically, please fix:
  • Careless mistakes in copyediting (spacing, misplaced punctuation) throughout the article. Please give it a good reread.
  • Grammatical mistakes in the lead; the second and third sentences are run-on sentences.
  • Unusual capitalization of "free Negroes".
  • "Case" in "Dred Scott case" should not be italicized.
  • Use a consistent capitalization scheme for "white" and "black" throughout the article. They are more commonly found in lowercase. Likewise, hyphenation for "African-American" should be consistent for a single part of speech. Generally we use a hyphen in the adjective form but not the noun form.
  • "Declaration" should not be capitalized.
  • Link grandfather clause, the reader cannot be assumed to know what it means.
  • Putting "See: Category:United States electoral redistricting case law" in the middle of a paragraph is not MoS-compliant.
In terms of the hook, "favored" seems weird to me. I would use "enabled", "facilitated", or "legalized" instead, depending on the connotation you desire. -- King of ♥ 05:34, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I made all the changes you suggested, and have listed this at WP:GOCE in hopes they'll help further. --evrik (talk) 05:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I just noticed something: Nothing in this hook implies that it is about American history. It may be obvious from context for an American, but not necessarily to an international audience. To clarify the context, you can change "Civil War" to "American Civil War" and/or "blacks" to "African Americans" (and link it please). -- King of ♥ 05:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I made the change. I will ping you after GOCE looks at it. --evrik (talk) 05:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 7[]

Claude Watney

  • ... that brewer Claude Watney was one of several old Etonians involved in the motor trade in Edwardian London?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 20:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

Killing of Manuel Ellis

Created by Darouet (talk). Nominated by BarrelProof (talk) at 21:58, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

Thank you BarrelProof for nominating. I might suggest one more alternative:

Best, -Darouet (talk) 21:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps "... that Manuel Ellis is one of at least seven black Americans since 2014 who shouted ..." (italics used to show changes – the number seven and the span of time are according to the I can't breathe article – this includes Eric Garner, Anton Black, Javier Ambler, Derrick Scott, Manuel Ellis, George Floyd, and a 17-year-old boy in Philadelphia). —BarrelProof (talk) 21:47, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Hong Kong Junta

  • ... that Filipino revolutionaries exiled in Hong Kong declared themselves a government-in-exile, becoming the Hong Kong Junta, due to monetary disputes? Source: "The assemblage agreed to repudiate the Biak-na-Bato agreement...authorized Aguilnaldo to take charge of the money...represented the first action of the Hong Kong Junta...reins of provisional government were assumed" (page 37)
    • ALT1:... that money Spain provided to the Hong Kong Junta as part of a peace deal were used to buy weapons to fight Spain? Source: "preservation of the money he had received in accordance with the agreement...P50,000 for the shipment of arms to the Philippines" (pages 32 and 68)

Created by Wtmitchell (talk). Nominated by Chipmunkdavis (talk) at 13:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC).

City Developments Limited

  • Comment: Reviewer to take note, the article was AfD twice due to copyvio reasons. This version was first created by a paid COI contributor, Yang Alexandra. However, myself (Robertsky, with no COI with City Developments Limited) and TheGreatSG'rean have took on to expand the draft, and reviewing/editing/removing the COI contributions in the process.

Moved to mainspace by Robertsky (talk) and TheGreatSG'rean (talk). Nominated by Robertsky (talk) at 07:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 8[]

Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival

The Naki Sumo Festival at Senso-ji Temple in Tokyo, Japan
The Naki Sumo Festival at Senso-ji Temple in Tokyo, Japan
  • Comment: This is my 4th nomination. The article includes a couple other images. Happy to swap the image I've included in the nomination for a different one if it's better suited to DYK.

Created by Brinacor (talk). Self-nominated at 01:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article actually doesn't meet the new article criterion, as it was nominated on June 18 which is outside the seven-day requirement (which means the article should have been nominated no later than June 15). It however appears to meet the 5x expansion criterion as it was expanded five-fold since the 8th (when the article was moved to mainspace). Otherwise no close paraphrasing was found and the other article requirements are met. I'm a bit confused as to which is the exact sentence that the hook fact: is it Two babies at a time compete in short matches, often while held in the arms of professional or student sumo wrestlers? If it's this sentence, then the footnote for referencing needs to be duplicated here. There could also be additional hook ideas here, like how sometimes parents look for places in Japan for the babies to compete in due to how popular the practice is, or the reason for its existence (it bringing good luck?) As this is only the nominator's fourth DYK no QPQ is required. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Corythomantis greeningi

  • ... that Greening's frog retreats into a hole, blocks the entrance with its spiny head and injects venom into anything that tries to dislodge it? Source: "A Brazilian scientist has made the painful, first-hand discovery of the first frog capable of injecting a toxic venom into potential predators. Carlos Jared, a researcher at Instituto Butantan in Sao Paolo, was collecting frogs in a forest Goytacazes National Reserve in southeastern Brazil when one of them head-butted him, jabbing its spines into his hand. That caused "intense pain radiating up the arm, lasting about five hours,"

5x expanded by Hanberke (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 08:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

*Symbol question.svg Starting review. The first question I have is whether the article image is licenced correctly. The commons upload lists cc-by SA-4.0, however the article page doesnt specify a licence, and the original publication date of the article precedes creative commons 4.0 licencing.--Kevmin § 00:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Image in question has been deleted as a copyright violation. none of the sources in the article seem to support "Greening's frog" as a viable widely used name in more common use then the binomial.--Kevmin § 20:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Kevmin: I have added a reference for the common name. I like to use the common name in the hook as it is more accessible to the general reader. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • The problem is that "Greening's frog" is in very little use while "Greening's frog" is the most often used. We shouldn't be promoting a rare vernacular name that isn't used over the most commonly used name.--Kevmin § 19:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Jerry Masslo

  • ... that the racist murder of the South African refugee Jerry Masslo in 1989 led to Italy accepting refugees from non-Eastern European countries? Source: (see article for sourcing)
    • ALT1:... that the South African refugee Jerry Masslo was granted a state funeral after his racist murder in Italy in 1989? Source: (see article for sourcing)
  • Comment: No images available - itwiki has images, but those are specific exceptions in Italian copyright law, which cannot be used on enwiki. Article should be moved from Jerry Essan Masslo to Jerry Masslo. (improved hooks welcome!)

Created by Effeietsanders (talk). Self-nominated at 01:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

  • This is just a comment but I'm not sure if using the word "racist" in the hooks (as in "racist murders") is a good idea. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Just to clarify: are you concerned that the 'racist' is not an appropriate characterization, or do you feel that although it was racist, it should not be mentioned here (or maybe a third option)? I'm open to suggestions in general, just clearing up and possibly providing further context. effeietsanders 23:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
More of the second option. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Just to clarify my thinking here, and then I'll leave it to someone else to judge: the racist component seemed from the sources/context to be relevant as to how the Italians responded to the murder. The fact that Masslo was South African, makes this even more sensitive. effeietsanders 23:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • hiya i'll take this on for review and i think we can get there but it will take a bit of work. here's some issues i'm seeing on a quick look Mujinga (talk) 18:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • the hooks need to have a citation attached so it's easy for me to check the claims
  • every paragraph in the article needs to have at least one citation to a reliable source
  • obviously this can be an emotive issue but i don't think the word "racist" is suitable here. compared to racist murders such as Murder of Stephen Lawrence this doesn't seem like a hate crime to me, more a robbery gone tragically wrong. if the racism is more "how the Italians responded to the murder" then that isn't so much about the murder itself. ultimately, i don't think the hooks lose much by taking the word out.
  • QPQ does not seem to be necessary as this is a first nom, just checking that is correct
  • the page move mentioned above has been done, so that's no longer an issue
  • earwig gives no copyvio so that's good, paging @Effeietsanders: for a response to the other comments. Mujinga (talk) 18:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Mujinga (talk) 19:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Moral (1982 film)

Created by What a pro. (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @What a pro.: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. Earwig doesn't throw any issues and the article looks fine. The hook, while backed up by the source and present, is very, very clunky and demands a total rewrite. I'm gonna throw a suggestion at you: Raymie (tc) 03:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: that Lorna Tolentino credited her role in 1982 film Moral for expanding her reputation beyond "sexy" movies? [51]

Articles created/expanded on June 9[]

Buffalo police shoving incident

Created by Fuzheado (talk), Starship.paint (talk), (talk), and Fram (talk). Nominated by Starship.paint (talk) at 03:16, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

  • starting review, first thing i want to check is eligibility since this was created from a redirect Mujinga (talk) 19:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg So this article was created 9 June with this edit of 1820 characters (6,304 bytes) taken from George Floyd protests in New York (state)#Niagara Square police violence incident. On my count, article is currently 8522 characters (26,567 bytes) so unfortunately I don't think this qualifies for DYK, although I'm happy to be proved wrong since I'd like this article to be on the mainpage. Mujinga (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mujinga: - thanks for taking this up. 1,500 characters is actually the minimum needed - not a maximum. Does that address your concern? Please continue to ping me. Cheers. starship.paint (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi @Starship.paint: what I'm saying is that on my calculations the article was begun with text from another article and therefore would need to have been expanded fivefold from the begin point of 1820 characters. I'm drawing on rule 1b: "Former redirects, stubs, disambiguation pages, and other pages in which the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the past seven days are also acceptable as "new" articles. The content with which the article has been expanded must be new content, not text copied from other articles." Mujinga (talk) 16:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
    Will expand and ping you. starship.paint (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


Life reconstruction of the pterosaur Pterodactylus, with a low bony cranial crest on its skull
Life reconstruction of the pterosaur Pterodactylus, with a low bony cranial crest on its skull
  • ... that the pterosaur Pterodactylus (pictured) only had a wingspan exceeding 1 metre (3 ft 3 in), and the animal itself also had a low bony cranial crest on its skull? Source: "demonstrates that the species exceeded 1 m in wingspan and had a low bony cranial crest" [52]
    • ALT1:... that the pterosaur Pterodactylus (pictured) had been considered a "wastebasket taxon", with many specimens split from the type species, and were then placed in different genera and families? Source: "Throughout the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries, specimens were split from the type species Pterodactylus antiquus, and placed in different genera and families" [53]
  • Comment: This just got pass GA yesterday, so it works, right?

Improved to Good Article status by JurassicClassic767 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC).

712 Fifth Avenue, Coty Building

712 Fifth Avenue
712 Fifth Avenue

Created by Epicgenius (talk) and DDupard (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 23:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

All India Anglo-Indian Association

All India Anglo-Indian Association president Frank Anthony
All India Anglo-Indian Association president Frank Anthony

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

  • @Anupam: The full review could probably be left to another editor, but I'll just be leaving my two cents here. Firstly: the article is just barely above the 1500 character requirement so while not required it could use a little more original content considering there are several quotations in the article. Secondly: neither hook seem to be that interesting, it might be better to write a hook about the " The All India Anglo-Indian Association holds that Anglo-Indians are unique in that they are Christians, speak English as their mother tongue, as well as have a historical link to both Europe and India." angle. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, I have expanded the article further today, hopefully to your satisfaction. I will add an alternate hook that might be more interesting for you. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 19:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. ALT3 might be the best option right now, but it could still use a bit of paraphrasing to make it not seem too close to either the article text or the source quote you gave. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome User:Narutolovehinata5! I changed the wording a little bit; kindly let me know if you'd like to submit the review now. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 23:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. ALT3 however is 212 characters (above the 200 character limit) and so may need to be trimmed further. I'd suggest focusing mainly on the Christian and ancestral heritage parts since those are the most eye-catching. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, I have trimmed ALT3 as you have suggested. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 18:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good. I've struck the other hooks but will leave the full review to another editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 10[]

Antje Weithaas

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: There are images, but not really good. Sorry for being a day late, - I was more or less off for the last week, and rediscovered it only yesterday when I was too tired.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Angèle Dola Akofa Aguigah

  • Comment: Second nomination - still getting the hang of everything!

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 07:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Welcome to DYK! You're QPQ exempt. The article is new enough and long enough. The hook checks out and is in the article, but we try to avoid "first" hooks at DYK, so I'm going to challenge you to consider potential other options. Her time as the director of the electoral institute in Benin might fit the bill, as might the fact that she has defended two doctoral theses. Raymie (tc) 04:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The Cheech Marin Center for Chicano Art, Culture & Industry

Created by OvertAnalyzer (talk). Self-nominated at 04:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

  • This is my first DYK nomination. If I didn't quite get it right, feedback would be appreciated.

Joseph Ngolepus

  • ... that Joseph Ngolepus, who was a pacemaker at the 2001 Berlin Marathon, ended up winning the race? Source: [56] "28. Berlin-Marathon In Berlin hatte er sich den Organisatoren und seinem namhaften Landsleuten Willi Cheruiyot und William Kiplagat dennoch nur als Helfer angeboten. In der Sprache der Läufer als Pacemaker (Tempomacher) geläufig." ("28th Berlin Marathon In Berlin, he offered himself to the organizers and his well-known compatriots Willi Cheruiyot and William Kiplagat only as a helper. Commonly known as pacemaker in the language of the runners.")
    • ALT1:... that Joseph Ngolepus finished third at the 2003 London Marathon, one second behind the winner, in the closest London Marathon finish in history? Source: [57] It was the closest finish in the history of the Flora London Marathon with six runners within seven seconds, [58] "And it was Abera who finished the fastest, with Italy's Stefano Baldini and Joseph Ngolepus of Kenya in second and third." ... "MEN'S RESULT: 1 G Abera (Eth) 2:07:56, 2 S Baldini (Ita) 2:07:56, 3 J Ngolepus (Ken) 2:07:57"

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Marty Kirkby

  • Reviewed: Barracuda Lounge
  • Comment: Feel free to alter the hooks or suggest a new one!

Moved to mainspace by Soaper1234 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:53, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Pita Limjaroenrat

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 06:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 11[]

Reigate St Mary's School

Reigate St Mary's
Reigate St Mary's

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 02:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • First, article is at AfD, so this needs to be held until that's decided. Second, I'd object to this anyway. A directory listing is in no way a sufficient source for a claim of uniqueness. It isn't in any sense a reliable independent source. If we are going to discuss a subject on the front page, we are certainly not going to just parrot what they've said about themselves. John from Idegon (talk) 10:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
John from Idegon, I agree that this should be held until the Afd is closed. There is no claim here of uniqueness. I see your point about school directories, but they have editorial integrity and are independent of the schools. Much the same information appears year after year, and any factual errors are soon pointed out and corrected. But as you have challenged that source for the hook I have added a second you may like better. Moonraker (talk) 16:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Afd now closed, reviewer needed. Striking the first hook, which is not very strong, but here is another suggestion. Moonraker (talk) 06:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Mary Carson Breckinridge

  • ... that Mary Carson Breckinridge's work with the Frontier Nursing Service dramatically reduced infant and maternal mortality in Appalachia, at a comparatively low cost? Source: ([Dye, Nancy Schrom (Winter 1983). "Mary Breckinridge, The Frontier Nursing Service and the Introduction of Nurse-Midwifery in the United States". Bulletin of the History of Medicine. 57.4: 485–507 – via JSTOR]).
    • ALT1:... that Mary Carson Breckinridge modeled the Frontier Nursing Service on European models, based on her post-war work with the American Committee for Devastated France and her tour of The Highlands and Islands Medical and Nursing Service in Scotland. Source: [(Breckinridge, Mary (1952). Wide Neighborhoods: A Story of the Frontier Nursing Service. Univ of Kentucky Press)].
    • ALT2:... that Mary Carson Breckinridge's model for public health in rural Kentucky placed trained nurse-midwives at the center of the system? Source: [(Breckinridge, Mary (1952). Wide Neighborhoods: A Story of the Frontier Nursing Service. Univ of Kentucky Press)].
    • ALT3:... that the nurse midwives in Kentucky traveled many miles on horseback to serve the women and families who were inaccessible by road or rail? Source: [(Norman, Macdonald (2014). The great book of Skye : from the island to the world : people and place on a Scottish island. Maclean, Cailean. Portree. ISBN 978-0952868798. OCLC 897503159)].
  • Reviewed: "QPQ exempt"

Improved to Good Article status by JECason (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

Oval Mansions

Created by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 15:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, long, & neutral enough. Good read. Both hooks check out, except that the period during which "the owner forgot about" the property appears to be at most 18 years, so "over a decade" would be better than "decades". Earwig finds nothing. Main hook GTG, guery re ALT1. Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Johnbod: Thanks for the review, good point on the hyperbole of "decades" on ALT1, I changed it to "years". Does that work? Mujinga (talk) 20:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

1990 Cordillera Autonomous Region creation plebiscite

  • Comment: QPQ to follow later.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self-nominated at 11:35, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, new enough at the time it was nominated, well-sourced and the source (from a major Philippine newspaper) checks out. Will wait on the QPQ for this nomination before proceeding further. --Sky Harbor (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

El Grito de Sunset Park

Created by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Orca's Song

  • ... that the picture book Orca's Song has received both praise for its depiction of a lesbian relationship and criticism for how it adapted a First Nations story? Praise: "In this beautiful tale, a female orca falls in love with a female osprey [and the two birth an orca as a child]. Orca’s song is a beautiful narrative of love that contains no overt moralising so often found in books in the first table of gay and lesbian stories." (Sapp 2010). Criticism: It's a "very 'New Age' rendering of this story [which], even with West Coast symbols, obscures any semblance of the story it might be based on" (Atleo 2006).
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self-nominated at 20:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 12[]

Samantha Buck and Marie Schlingmann

Samantha Buck
Samantha Buck
  • Reviewed: Fleet Street (album)
  • Comment: While I think the notable film festivals in alt0 are known enough that student film at both is impressive, I recall Gerda noting she'd never heard of SXSW so I don't mind if it gets ruled out. No images of Schlingmann, but there's some really good ones of Buck (this one in article)

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 07:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Just a comment because my name was called. Nothing wrong with the original hook because the festival is linked! - My reservation is only if not, as in the case leading to a general discussion. I'd prefer the original because it does justice to both ladies. I may eventually review but right now look for something fast and easy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Any Song

Created by Ashleyyoursmile (talk). Self-nominated at 15:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC).

Winifred Tumim

Created by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC).

Raymix (musician)

  • ... that "Oye Mujer", a song certified 14× Multi-Platinum (Latin) in the US, was composed by Mexican musician Raymix while he was participating in a NASA educative internship? Sources: "Entonces me llegó la oportunidad de irme a la NASA a hacer una estancia [...] Cierta vez, recapitulando aquella experiencia psicosomática en la NASA, se puso a escuchar cumbia. Harta cumbia. Encarrerado, completamente solo, llegó la inspiración. 'Y, asumecha, no me gustó lo que hice; me encantó. Sonaba comercial, sonaba erótico, sonaba muy bien'. 'Oye mujer' había nacido." [Then I got the opportunity to go to NASA to do an internship ... One time, reminding that pyschosomatic experience at NASA, he started to listen to cumbia. A lot of cumbia. Enclosed, completely alone, inspiration came. 'And, damn, I didn't just like what I did: I loved it. It sounded commercial, sounded erotic, sounded very well'. 'Oye Mujer' was born.] (Vice--Rolling Stone says "as a project manager and systems engineer" [66], but Raymix calls it "estancia/internship"[67]; for the certification RIAA's website)

Created by Tbhotch (talk). Self-nominated at 20:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

IRT New Lots Line

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 19:53, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

Wrens of the Curragh

Two women of the Curragh Wrens
Two women of the Curragh Wrens
  • Comment: Still getting the hang of this!

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 11:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting group, on fine sources, few offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and a good illustration, but it needs a connection in the hook by (pictured) somewhere. I'd like a bit more of lead but it's not needed. The hook is a bit long, - how about dropping the branches? - Thank you for the article, Lajmmoore! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Gerda Arendt: - I'm happy with the changes you suggest - do I edit the above? (Sorry, new to the DYK system!) (Lajmmoore (talk) 14:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC))
Nice to meet you! No, better write a new one below, called ALT1, prepared, and use some kind of pictured exactly as given, also prepared. I can't prepare the whole thing for you, or someone picky might come and say it's "my" hook, and I can't also review it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that ... group of sex workers (members pictured)

Articles created/expanded on June 13[]

Statue of Mary Seacole

Mary Seacole statue, St Thomas' Hospital
Mary Seacole statue, St Thomas' Hospital
  • ... that the statue of Mary Seacole (pictured) is the first statue in Britain to show a named black woman? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that the statue of Mary Seacole (pictured) is the first statue in Britain to honor a black woman? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by KJP1 (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 16:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting honour, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and an excellent illustration, thanks to OwenBlacker. I am not yet happy with the hooks, because I think in this case "2016" and "nurse" might add attraction. Evrik, thank you for the nomination, - it's usually the nominator who supplies a qpq. In the article, I think most of the lead could become a paragraph "Background" of the subject, and there should be a bit more summary of the artwork. Nice infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • "The first statue in Britain to show a named black woman" is questionable; Nicola Adams in Downhills Park has been there since at least 2013. ‑ Iridescent 16:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • It's a good article, we perhaps need a better hook. --evrik (talk) 16:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Iridescent - That’s interesting. Certainly it’s how the Seacole’s been described, as you’ll see from the many sources. Let me see if I can think of a more “accurate” hook. KJP1 (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
In fact, this one isn't even the first public statue in London of Mary Seacole. It's possibly a semantic argument over what constitutes a statue, as the Nicola Adams and the 2013 Seacole are in an unusual "flattened wire-frame" design rather than the conventional solid lump of marble or bronze (although more likely, someone at St Thomas's sent out a "first ever" press release in good faith because they weren't aware of the others, and the news media reprinted it without bothering to verify it.) ‑ Iridescent 19:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I think we don't even need the "first" thing to make this interesting. Just where this is of whom created when should be good enough, better pictured than not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • QPQ donated. --evrik (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Just to say - I’m afraid I have little idea about how DYK works - and no idea what a QPQ is - so very happy to go with the better-informed views and opinions of others. If you want me to make any changes to the text, just let me know. KJP1 (talk) 07:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

How to Be an Antiracist

Created by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC).

Ladakh Chronicles

  • ... that one of the two surviving manuscripts of the Ladakh Chronicles is owned by a monk in the Lamayuru Monastery? Petech, Luciano (1977). The Kingdom of Ladakh: C. 950-1842 A.D. Istituto italiano per il Medio ed Estremo Oriente., p.2: "Seven manuscripts of this work are known to exist, or to have existed. [...] Ms.Sonam. In the private possession of dGe-rgan bSod- nams, a 'Bri-guh-pa monk from Lamayuru monastery."; pp.1-2 mention the five that disappeared (see Ladakh Chronicles#Known manuscripts).
    • ALT1:... that the Ladakh Chronicles is one of only two pre-19th century literary sources on the history of Ladakh? Petech, pp.1-2: "The main source for Ladakhi history is, and always will be, the La-dvags rgyal-rabs, compiled probably in the 17th century [...] The only other literary source from Ladakh is the biography of sTag-ts'ah-ras-pa (TTRP), compiled in 1663.."
    • ALT2:... that when Alexander Cunningham discovered the Ladakh Chronicles in 1847, he thought that the end of it was too unimportant to publish? Petech, p.1: "Ms. Cunningham. During his stay in Ladakh in 1847, Alexander Cunningham caused a manuscript of the Chronicle to be translated for him into Urdu; a partial English version of it was incorporated in his work. The manuscript (or the Urdu translation) starts with Ts'e-dban-rnam-rgyal (16th century); the English version stops with bDe-legs-rnam-rgyal (end of the 17th century), since Cunningham deemed the rest of the story unimportant. Neither the manuscript nor its Urdu version are available now."
  • Reviewed: QPQ pending

Created by MarkH21 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 14[]

Fakhr al-Din I

The mosque built by Fakhr al-Din in Mount Lebanon
The mosque built by Fakhr al-Din in Mount Lebanon
  • ... that the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din built a mosque (pictured) in Mount Lebanon despite the nonuse of mosques by Druze? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that Fakhr al-Din, ancestor of Fakhr al-Din II, was the first member of the Ma'n family of Mount Lebanon "whose historicity is beyond question"? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT2:... that until research by Kamal Salibi, modern historians of Lebanon including Salibi himself, mistook Fakhr al-Din for one of his descendants?
  • Reviewed: Pending

Moved to mainspace by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 01:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC).


  • ... that an attempt to sell Wyoming television station KFNB dragged on for more than three years and ended with the station off the air for nine months? Source: [71], [72], [73]
    • ALT1:... that KFNB in Casper, Wyoming, is named for a prospective owner whose purchase attempt ended in default and the television station going off the air for nine months? Source: (same as above)

Moved to mainspace by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

Fresh Kill

  • ... that the 1994 film Fresh Kill is noted for its influence on hacker subculture, with a 1995 article about the film containing one of the first recorded uses of the term "hacktivism"? Source: 1 2
    • ALT1:... that the 1994 film Fresh Kill is described by director Shu Lea Cheang as "cybernoia", a term she coined to describe a future of "massive intrusions of networking technology into people's lives"? Source: 3
  • Reviewed: Cover Girl Strip Poker
  • Comment: I think ALT0 is the most interesting but some may find the source dubious, so ALT1 is provided as an alternative.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire

  • ... that, as described in Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire, Akala was placed in special needs classes for children who did not speak English, despite having read The Lord of the Rings?
    Source: [74] "My teacher at seven put me in a special needs group for kids who didn’t speak English. She obviously knew I didn’t have problems with English – I was reading The Lord of the Rings at home." [75] "I was put in a special needs group because of a teacher who thought I was too bright for a working class brown boy."
    • ALT1:... that Akala explains in his book Natives why he was placed in special needs classes for children who did not speak English, despite reading The Lord of the Rings at the time?

Created by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 13:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 15[]

Nathalie Evans

  • ... that Nathalie Evans, a co-founder of Twycross Zoo, raised chimpanzees in her flat in Sutton Coldfield? "The two women became firm friends, and were soon sharing a flat with two chimps, Sue and Mickey."
    • ALT1:... that Nathalie Evans once returned to her flat to find that chimpanzees had thrown many of her belongings out of the window? "One day Molly and Nathalie came home to find the chimps throwing their belongings out of an upstairs window, while a large crowd watched from the pavement"
    • ALT2:... that Nathalie Evans and Molly Badham provided the chimpanzees used in the original PG Tips television advertisements?"It was to help finance their enterprise that they provided the chimps for the Brooke Bond advertisements, Molly training the animals and Nathalie dealing with the business side."
    • ALT3:... that Nathalie Evans lived in a flat with a chimpanzee that was trained to eat at the dinner table and use the flush toilet?"Sue, according to her guardians, could pour tea without spilling a drop, loved to eat asparagus, and learnt to use the lavatory, always pulling the chain afterwards."

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 17:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

  • starting review Mujinga (talk) 09:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • the article is interesting and the hooks are good, i have just a few initial comments, earwig is throwing up a similarity between "was a founder member of the National Federation of Zoological Gardens of Great Britain and Ireland and a member of the International Union of Directors of Zoological Gardens. With Badham and Maureen Lawless, Evans wrote two books: Chimps with Everything (1979) and Molly's Zoo (2000)" and "was a founder member of the National Federation of Zoological Gardens of Great Britain and Ireland and a member of the International Union of Directors of Zoological Gardens. With Maureen Lawless and Molly Badham she co-wrote two books, Chimps with Everything (1979) and Molly’s Zoo (2000)" so maybe it could be rephrased slightly
  • i changed "hand rear" to "hand-rear" in the text, hope that's ok
  • i like ALT0 the best and suggest changing it to "Nathalie Evans, a co-founder of Twycross Zoo, raised two chimpanzees in her flat called Sue and Mickey" to maximise hookiness? then the relevant sentence would need to be directly cited in the article Mujinga (talk) 09:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Mujinga, thanks for your review. I've had a go at rewording those two sentences, which are awkward becuase of the book titltes and organisation names but hopefully they are better now. I've added the extra cites for the sentences about Sue and Mickey. let me know what you think - Dumelow (talk) 10:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - i would suggest ALT4 "DYK that ... Nathalie Evans, a co-founder of Twycross Zoo, raised two chimpanzees in her flat called Sue and Mickey?"
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Mujinga (talk) 10:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi thanks for the improvements made above, yes I can imagine it's fiddly to rephrase the sentence about groups and books, but it's better now and there are no other issues. I suggested an improvement on ALT0 which I've now put formally as ALT4, let me know what you think, if you don't like my proposal no probs, then I'll put it to second opinion requested for another set of eyes. My view is ALT4 builds on ALT0 to make it more hooky. Mujinga (talk) 10:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Mujinga, I have no issues with ALT4. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 10:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg OK great then this is good to go, nice one I enjoyed reading the article by the way. The proposed hook is then ALT4 "DYK that ... Nathalie Evans, a co-founder of Twycross Zoo, raised two chimpanzees in her flat called Sue and Mickey?" Mujinga (talk) 11:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Mujinga: Per Rule H2, you cannot approve your own hook. Since you added the names of the chimps, ALT4 will have to be approved by someone else. Personally, I like ALT3 much better. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Wildlife of North Macedonia

Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self-nominated at 16:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC).

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2 Black 2 Strong

  • ... that American rapper 2 Black 2 Strong is best known for his song "Burn Baby Burn" about the constitutionally-protected right to burn flags? Source:here and " takes its cues from the current battles over free speech and the recent Supreme Court decision upholding a citizen's right to burn the flag. "You gave me freedom of speech in the First Amendment/ so why the {expletive} are you trying to scold me/ when I'm torching the flag I'm only doing what you told me I could. ... See I made up this new rule and I want you all to learn it/ strike a match to the American flag and burn it."" there and there "constitutionally protected" there,
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Caro7200 (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 12:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Discography section is the only one that is unsourced. In addition, could the "Early life" section be merged into the lead of the article? Just a thought though, not soething that necessarily needs to be changed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Reply User:PCN02WPS References added to discography. 7&6=thirteen () 10:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Referencing concern has been addressed! Good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 16[]

Embassy of the Philippines, Mexico City

The new chancery of the Philippine Embassy in Mexico City
The new chancery of the Philippine Embassy in Mexico City

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC).

Mooky Greidinger

  • ... that Mooky Greidinger's dream was to create the world's largest cinema chain, until Cineworld abandoned its takeover of Cineplex in June 2020? Source: "In the first half of 2020, the Greidinger family's Cineworld will become the world's largest cinema chain when it completes the $2.1 billion acquisition of Canada's Cineplex, giving it over 11,000 cinema screens worldwide ... Those who know the Greidingers say they are not so much consumed with making money as becoming the world's number one cinema chain." ([76]) and "International movie theatre chain Cineworld PLC says its deal to buy Cineplex Inc. for $2.8 billion is off, claiming that "certain breaches" of the contract were made by the Canadian company." ([77])
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC).

Korean folklore

5x expanded by Changyu Jung (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC).

Al-Zahiriyya al-Tahta

Ruins of a shrine on the former lands of al-Zahiriyya al-Tahta
Ruins of a shrine on the former lands of al-Zahiriyya al-Tahta
  • Reviewed: Pending

5x expanded by Huldra (talk) and Onceinawhile (talk). Nominated by Al Ameer son (talk) at 00:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough, within policy regarding references and neutrality, no copyvio found. Suggestion: I think lead is expected to contain more information to summarize the article, e.g. the village's origin, notable events, and probably some more context about its depopulation. The history of the maqam pictured in the infobox could be added to the article body. Hook is supported in article and cited. The image has an appropriate license, but how do the citations (lists of place name) support the assertion that the ruin is in "the former lands of al-Zahiriyya al-Tahta"? HaEr48 (talk) 02:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Leickness Simbayi

  • Reviewed: I still have to review another nomination and will post this here once it's done.

Created by Lolanallie123 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Seu'ula Johansson-Fua

  • ... that Seu'ula Johansson-Fua is Director of the Institute of Education in Tonga and has expanded the use of the pacific dialogue style talanoa to include teaching in schools? Source: Prescott, S. M., & Johansson Fua, S. (2016, July). Enhancing Educational Success Through Talanoa : A Framework for the Pacific. A. Kautoke (Ed.), Vaka Pasifiki Education Conference (pp.1-27).

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 11:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well referenced—although primary refs such as the subject's own papers are being used to verify facts. No close paraphrasing seen.
  • My main problem with the article is that it speaks briefly and in generalities about all kinds of subjects. There needs to be a more structured approach to introducing and describing each project she works on. I did a little editing and reorganizing, but I still find the presentation full of generalities (like In 2018 she launched a Network for Educational Research which brought together education ministries from a variety of Pacific countries ... to further collaborative research and understanding) and not well explained concepts (She has described how the concept of Faka’apa’apa guides ideas of leadership in Tonga—why are we suddenly talking about leadership?). What I'm saying is that you as the writer need to add topic sentences and guide the presentation into logical paragraphs and topics. The lead is also too short; it needs more mention of her notability other than being director of an institute. I have added a "clarification needed" tag to one sentence that should probably be reworked from the point of view of English grammar.
  • The hook reads like a resume. It would be hookier to just pull one fact out of the article to catch reader's interest, and then they can learn what position she holds when they click on the article.
  • No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks very much for comments and the time you've taken @Yoninah: I'll do a little clear up today - I think all your points are totally valid. You know what it's like when you've got your head in a page! Thanks for the help! (Lajmmoore (talk) 07:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC))

Joan Dant

Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 17[]

Fielding L. Wright

Improved to Good Article status by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article was promoted to GA on 16 June. No issues with article that I can see, hook is interesting and source is used in article. QPQ is done. Looks good to me! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 07:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg per talk —valereee (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

  • I am perfectly fine with the halting of this as I originally thought that the article covered enough of his anti-civil rights and pro-segregationist views. However, now that I had time to review it is obviously lacking. - Jon698 (talk) 14:03 1 July 2020
  • @Valereee: Well I found something really interesting for a new DYK hook. Could this replace the current hook? I picked the original hook for the oddity of a KKK leader suing a racist governor, but this new hook would tie into Wright's career more suitably and it would still be an attention grabber. - Jon698 (talk) 15:15 1 July 2020
  • ALT1 ... that the execution of Willie McGee, conducted during Mississippi Governor Fielding L. Wright's tenure, was included in a petition by the Civil Rights Congress to the United Nations?Mississippi A History. Civil Rights Congress. 1952. p. 192 – via Google Books.
That looks interesting! I think we could have kept the alt that was already in queue (with 'and segregationist' added) but Levivich was concerned about NPOV at the article itself, which seemed like it was going to take longer to fix than could be done by tomorrow. —valereee (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Enamelled glass

Thutmose III jar, c. 1425 BC
Thutmose III jar, c. 1425 BC
  • ... that the earliest known vessel in enamelled glass comes from a pharoah's tomb of c. 1425 BC, after which there are no other pieces for some 1400 years? Gudenrath, W., Enameled Glass Vessels, 1425 BCE – 1800: The Decorating Process, Journal of Glass Studies, vol. 48, pp. 23–70, 2006, JSTOR. pp 28-30. Also same article Online at the Corning Museum of Glass (no page numbers): "The practice of creating enameled decoration on glass vessels began very soon after such vessels were initially made. A small turquoise-colored jug in The British Museum (Fig. 1.1) was probably found in the tomb of Thutmose III at Thebes, and it is thought to have contained sacred oils used in the burial ritual. The presence of the pharaoh’s cartouche on this vessel indicates an 18th-Dynasty date of about 1425 B.C.E..... Incredibly, the jug for Thutmose III appears to be the only surviving example of an enameled glass vessel that predates the Common Era...."

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC).

Ate my balls

  • Comment: For next year's April Fools Day

Moved to mainspace by EnPassant (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 15:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: Please, yes! ♟♙ (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Nippon Professional Baseball playoffs

  • Comment: NPB's season starts up again on Friday June 19 after being delayed for months because of COVID. If possible to get it on the main page on that day, that'd be great!

Created by Torsodog (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Souleymane Mboup

Created by Alyce26 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg One minor issue, then this is good to go. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


  1. Barin, F et al. “Serological evidence for virus related to simian T-lymphotropic retrovirus III in residents of west Africa.” Lancet (London, England) vol. 2,8469-70 (1985): 1387-9. doi:10.1016/s0140-6736(85)92556-5

Charlotte County Sheriff's Office

CCSO Headquarters
CCSO Headquarters

Created by PCHS-NJROTC (talk). Self-nominated at 21:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

Rattlesnake Creek (Bronx), Seton Falls Park

  • ... that a waterfall along Rattlesnake Creek in Seton Falls Park was created as part of the country estate of the Seton family in what is now New York City? Source: Loeb, Robert E. (1989). "The Ecological History of an Urban Park". Forest & Conservation History. Oxford University Press (OUP). 33 (3): 138.
    • ALT1:... that the only above-ground section of New York City's Rattlesnake Creek is in Seton Falls Park, where a man-made waterfall is a remnant of a former mill? Source: Kadinsky, Sergey (2016). Hidden Waters of New York City: A History and Guide to 101 Forgotten Lakes, Ponds, Creeks, and Streams in the Five Boroughs. Countryman Press. p. 72.
  • Reviewed: QPQs pending
  • Comment: I have to think of other hooks later. If a combined hook is not satisfactory, I can propose separate hooks for both articles. epicgenius (talk) 19:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Created by RoySmith (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 19:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

Richard Ernest Dupuy

Richard Ernest Dupuy announces the Normandy landings

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 18:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, all paragraphs have at least one citation, and what Earwig finds is nearly all quotations and names. QPQ done. Both hooks are strong and suitably cited. For me, ALT1 is a little hookier than the first. Ready to go with either. Moonraker (talk) 09:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18[]

James P.M. Ntozi

  • ... that a book on Ugandan demography was created to honor professor James P. M. Ntozi's 35-year teaching career at Makerere University? Source: See the first paragraph of the section "Demography of Uganda and Selected African Countries"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lexipol
  • Comment: After building several preps with no representation outside of North America and Europe, I am making a push to get articles from under-represented areas into DYK. This is nomination 10 in that effort.

Created by HistoryandLiterature (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

June 6, 1944 order of the day

Recording of the June 6, 1944 order of the day

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 16:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Too Much and Never Enough

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Consider the above, as it adds some context. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. QPQ needed done. Issues below. starship.paint (talk)

  • Mary L. Trump, a clinical psychologist, is the oldest child of Fred Trump Jr., and the oldest grandchild of Fred Trump Sr. - needs source. Simon & Schuster [82] says: Mary L. Trump holds a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies and taught graduate courses in trauma, psychopathology, and developmental psychology. She lives with her daughter in New York. - no mention that she actually worked as a clinical psychologist.
  • claiming that Fred Sr. was suffering from Alzheimer's disease - source said They claimed Fred Sr. was suffering from dementia.
  • Forbes contributors are unreliable. Please get a better source.
  • Any issue with recent changes I and others made? [83]
  • I'm thinking we need to insert a "reportedly" into ALT1, which is itself better than the main hook above.
  • This seems like a good candidate for a July 28 DYK.

@Muboshgu: - see above. starship.paint (talk) 06:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

No problemo. (Except I don't think the citation in the infobox is necessary). I'll fix that and provide QPQ today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
QPQ provided. Now examining bullet points... – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Starship.paint, (1) other sources refer to her as a clinical psychologist. And since she has a PhD in clinical psychology, she is a clinical psychologist. Much like someone with a JD is a lawyer whether or not they're practicing. Some sourcing is saying she was working as a life coach, so I should probably add that... (2) I changed it to dementia, and will probably add this BBC.com source that says that the book will say it was Alzheimer's, and that Trump was predictably Trump about it (3) I took out the Forbes contributor (oops, didn't notice) and conformed the text to sources. (4) Nope. (5) Any hook changes for policy or hook-i-ness are welcomed. (6) Thanks for the date suggestion. Yes, July 28 should make for good reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muboshgu (talkcontribs)
Muboshgu - still have to cite that she is the oldest child of Fred Trump Jr., and the oldest grandchild of Fred Trump Sr. I'll think about the hook if I have a better suggestion. starship.paint (talk) 14:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Crystal ball hooks. starship.paint (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Starship.paint, sources have referred to her as the "oldest grandchild" of Fred Sr., but they may be wrong, so I took it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: - is Mary older than her brother Fred III? Evening Standard says no. starship.paint (talk) 12:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Starship.paint, fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 16:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: - okay good. Shall we wait for the hearing of 10 July to see if a better blurb can be found? starship.paint (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Ralph Debbas

Moved to mainspace by 5225C (talk). Self-nominated at 07:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 19[]

Maisie Williams

Improved to Good Article status by Bodney (talk). Nominated by Trillfendi (talk) at 15:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg — It has been more than 7 days after passing GA. (Promoted on June 19 but it was nominated on 29 June). ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 14:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Ouch. Only three days. @Evrik and Yoninah: Sorry to ping you two, but you have the most DYK experience of anyone I know. Is this a hard rule that must block a nomination, or can it be overlooked given that someone other than the improver nominated it? Psiĥedelisto (talkcontribs) please always ping! 15:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
For what it’s worth, I’ve had other DYKs pass even when it had been slightly longer than a week, such as 10 days. Trillfendi (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Everyone is allowed a lapse now and then. I think we can IAR this. @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: you can proceed with your review. Yoninah (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) IMHO: We should hereby follow the rules. I think it creates a huge mess, for eg, "so that was approved so why not mine". It easily becomes an ugly mess. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 15:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Psiĥedelisto, That's not the problem, all I think is that it creates a mess. I can still do the review (if desired). ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 15:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • It is a rule, but we overlook three days all the time. --evrik (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I suggest changing For DYK purposes, a "new" article is no more than seven days old. To avoid creating confusion between editors. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • An RfC might be a good idea, CAPTAIN MEDUSA, but it should not hold up consideration of this nomination. They can run concurrently. Consensus is that the lapsed period can be overlooked in this case. A broader RfC can and perhaps should happen, but we can move forward on this without that given the consensus here. Psiĥedelisto (talkcontribs) please always ping! 07:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Leonie Schroder

  • ... that in 2019, Leonie Schroder was the UK's third-highest taxpayer? Source: "Peter Hargreaves and Leonie Schroder have featured on a new list of the top 50 taxpayers in the UK. Schroder and her family come third on the list compiled by the Sunday Times, paying £116.8m in all tax on their £4bn wealth." ([84])
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

Theo Akkermann

Akkermann family grave
Akkermann family grave
  • ... that Theo Akkermann, whose first major work was a war monument, created a sculpture for his family's grave (pictured)? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Moved to mainspace by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

Japan National Route 48

  • ... that a series of tunnels on Japan National Route 48 is known as the Land Gateway to Sendai? Source: "-仙台都市圏「陸のゲートウェイ」新たな都市交通体系の始まり-" (map depicting tunnels is included in text) [85]

5x expanded by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 03:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

History of candlelight rallies in South Korea

  • ... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Woojin Jeong (talk). Self-nominated at 13:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Woojin Jeong: No hook has been proposed for this nomination. Please follow the instructions in the edit notice above the editor if you need any help. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Death of Olaseni Lewis

  • ... that British law was changed after the death of Olaseni Lewis, who was restrained by 11 police officers, so that British police must wear body cameras when dealing with vulnerable people? (source)

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC).

Armorial of British universities

  • ... that the coats of arms of British univerities contain dolphins and a DNA helix? in base a dolphin naiant Sable a representation of a DNA Double Helix
    • ALT1:... that seaweed, and an elephant surrounded by nuclei appear on arms of British universities? a branch of seaweed called laver an Elephant statant, on the back a Castle triple towered Or; In the second and third quarters, representations of the two Isotopes of Lithium, that in the second quarter having six and that in the third seven Protons and neutrons in its nucleus, with Electrons in orbit Argent

Moved to mainspace by Robin S. Taylor (talk) and Shadowssettle (talk). Nominated by Shadowssettle (talk) at 17:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC).


  1. "University of Sussex". heraldry-wiki.com. Heraldry of the World. Retrieved 9 March 2020.
  2. ^ "University of Warwick - Armorial Bearings of the University". Retrieved 2 July 2019.
  3. "University of Liverpool". heraldry-wiki.com. Heraldry of the World. Retrieved 19 June 2020.

Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail

  • Comment: The page was a re-direct previously, but I removed that and added more content today.

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg I cleaned up the citations in the article, but please be sure to include all possible details next time. Citation 3 doesn't seem to be a reliable source. The Route section isn't organized all that well, as dividing it by mode of transport doesn't really work. SounderBruce 06:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to review! I looked at the about us section for Culture Trip (source 3) and from the industry award they've received, it seemed like they were a well-trusted travel review site - see https://theculturetrip.com/about-us/ - always happy to be corrected though! I've added a couple of further citations and am going to have a look at the structure - though I'd found it quite useful! As ever, thanks for the feedback! (Lajmmoore (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC))
Lajmmoore: Culture Trip seems to be promoting its app rather than producing journalistic content. It needs to be removed in order to have this ready for DYK. SounderBruce 07:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@SounderBruce: Thanks for the reply, I've moved the reference to an external link at the bottom and re-cited the info, with some additional sources too. Going to do a bit more work on the route section, which I agree could be fuller! (Lajmmoore (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC))
Lajmmoore: I had to revert some of the additions, as they seem to be pointing to effects of the system as a whole rather than just this specific trail. I do need you to add an appropriate page number for the 40th anniversary citation, and to make sure that American English spelling is used throughout the article. SounderBruce 06:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Unlimited Saga

Improved to Good Article status by ProtoDrake (talk). Self-nominated at 06:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 20[]

Woolf Works

  • ... that Alessandra Ferri originated the lead role in the 2015 ballet Woolf Works at age 52? Source: "But anyone (guilty!) who thought Ms. Ferri, now 52, would be declaiming dramatically in a long robe à la Anne Bancroft in “The Turning Point,” was mistaken." ([86])
    • ALT1:... that the three acts of the 2015 ballet Woolf Works were inspired by Virginia Woolf's Mrs Dalloway, Orlando: A Biography and The Waves respectively? Source: "Woolf Works makes no attempt to be a consistent “story ballet”. Each of its acts takes off from a separate novel – Mrs Dalloway, Orlando and The Waves – and each riffs on the style of Woolf’s writing in very different ways." ([87])
    • ALT2:... that Gillian Anderson provided a voice-over of reading Virginia Woolf's suicide note for the contemporary ballet Woolf Works?Source: "“Tuesday,” the third section of the ballet, opens with a recording of Woolf’s suicide note (read with limpid simplicity by Gillian Anderson)."([88])

Created by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Antonyo Awards

Created by (talk), Beyond My Ken (talk), and Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 04:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Drmies: I've always assumed that it was the nominator that was responsible for the QPQ. Regardless, we've got a ~300 article backlog, so if you could do a review, it would be greatly appreciated. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • User:The Squirrel Conspiracy, since you didn't sign this (properly) I didn't get the notification, which is a shame cause these awards were discussed on PBS a few days ago, and we could have gotten this along last week. Anyway, I'm doing a review--this "nominator" part of the rule is kind of crappy. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Civil investigative demand

Created by AleatoryPonderings (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 21[]

Scott A. McGregor

  • ... that technology executive Scott A. McGregor was the lead developer of Windows 1.0? Source: "As Steve Jobs had done before him, Gates looked to Xerox PARC for software developers experienced in GUI who could put the spurs to Windows development. Charles Simonyi had been the first from PARC to join Microsoft. Now, in the summer of 1983, Gates went after Scott MacGregor... Earlier this August day he had flown from Seattle to San Francisco to personally handle the recruitment of MacGregor for the Windows team... MacGregor visited Microsoft a couple of times before he agreed to sign on to head the new Windows engineering team." (from Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire. I believe this source misspells his name as "MacGregor", as all other sources spell it "McGregor")
    • ALT1:... that Scott A. McGregor led the development of Windows 1.0 in the 1980s, and now pursues extreme gardening? Source: "[McGregor] brings the same intellectual intensity to his pastimes. Cooking and gardening sound like mild-mannered habits, until you learn that he indulges in extreme varieties of these comfortable-sounding pursuits. He grows “unusual orchids and carnivorous plants” and he has a special interest in epiphytes, or plants that grow on other objects rather than in earth. Mr McGregor also describes his approach to cooking as “hardcore”..." (from "Tactics for Conflict Avoidance", by Financial Times)
  • Reviewed: This is my fourth DYK nomination! Will begin reviewing others soon.
  • Comment: I'm having a little trouble with the conjunction word in ALT1. Originally had "but", but that seems to imply he's no longer involved in tech which isn't really true. Tried "though" but that doesn't really solve the problem. Not sure how "and" feels. Would love a reviewer's opinion! I think ALT1 might be more "hooky" for a general audience.

Created by (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC).

Jan Otrębski

  • Comment: This is my first article here.

Created by Bob not snob (talk). Self-nominated at 06:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC).

Das Jahr steht auf der Höhe

  • ... that the author of the hymn "Das Jahr steht auf der Höhe" wrote his reflections of midsummer in 1978 to a 16th-century melody of a love song? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC).

Arrest: Pat. Rizal Alih – Zamboanga Massacre

  • ... that Carlo J. Caparas co-wrote, directed, and released a film depiction of the Camp Cawa-Cawa siege within three months after it happened? Source: [89]:2 (January 6 news article about the siege) [90]:25 (confirms the film's March 8 release date).
    • ALT1:... that Rizal Alih discovered a film depicting his siege of a military base 22 years after its theatrical release? Source: "The renegade lawman explained that he learned of the movie “Arrest Patrolman Alih: Zamboanga Massacre” only last year [2011] when the policeman guarding his cell told him about it." [91] (Inquirer news article) [92]:25 (confirms the film's release date).
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination.

Created by LionFosset (talk). Self-nominated at 07:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC).

St. James Church (Queens)

St. James Church
St. James Church

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting building, on good sources, offline source accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. It's looking so unusual for a NYC building that I think the location, Queens, should be mentioned in every potential hook. I like ALT2 best, given the location is added. I don't care much about the noble people, nor second oldest alone. The image is licensed, and almost a must. The name: was is "Old St. James Church" when the groups used it, or perhaps not even "church" then? Should whatever such names be added to lead and/or infobox, - no need to bold them all, but tell people they are at the right article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I think that the unusual nature of the building may warrant mentioning that it's NYC (but not necessarily that it's in Queens), if we do include the geographic location in a look. As for the name, it is also called the "Old St. James Church" to distinguish it from the current church building two blocks away, which is the "St. James Episcopal Church". I will add that soon. epicgenius (talk) 18:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)


  • Reviewed: Hollaback Girl
  • Comment: A silly hook about one of the more seedy and unexpectedly resilient websites on the old internet. The site has received limited mainstream press coverage beyond its sudden shutdown and abrupt revival in 2019 so a more conservative reviewer will probably find some of the primary sources I've cited in the article to be dubious, but I decided to submit it for DYK regardless.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Nyma Tang

  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I think I prefer ALT2 and it really pinpoints one of the most important things she is doing, so it would be cool to have that?

Created by Eolaíocht (talk). Self-nominated at 21:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Poole's Land

  • ... that ...? "between 1988 and 2020 the town of Tofino on Vancouver island was host to a "Hippie Commune" called Poole's Land where residents could stay for free and their labour could be exchanged for drugs? " Sources: [93] [94]
    • ALT1:... that ...? "between 1988 and 2020 there existed a "Hippie Commune" on the Pacific Coast of Vancouver Island called Poole's Land where residents could stay for free and their labour could be exchanged for drugs? Sources: [95] [96]
    • ALT2:... that ...? "in the summers transient workers would gather at a "Hippie Commune" called Poole's Land located in the rainforest near Tofino on Vancouver Island, where the accommodation was free and they could exchange their labour for drugs? Sources: [97] [98]
    • ALT3:... that ...? "during the summer months, the town of Tofino on Vancouver Island partially depended on an "anarchistic Hippie Commune" out in the woods called Poole's Land to house it's seasonal workforce, as the commune allowed residents to stay for free and the mainstream accommodation would be taken up by tourists? Sources: [99] [100]
    • ALT4:... that ...? "Poole's Land, a "Hippie Commune" located in the rainforest near Tofino on Vancouver Island, played an important role in housing seasonal workers during the summers as it allowed residents to stay for free as well as allowing them to exchange their labour for goods such as drugs? Sources: [101] [102]

Created by CeltBrowne (talk). Self-nominated at 17:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 22[]

Charles Kingston O'Mahony

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 09:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC).

Hetty Spiers

  • ... that Hetty Spiers designed costumes for silent films and operas?

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 16:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

Eurovision: Come Together

Swedish pop group ABBA in 1974
Swedish pop group ABBA in 1974

Created by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC).

Lady Tambourine

Lady Tambourine in 2008
Lady Tambourine in 2008
  • ... that videos of Lady Tambourine playing the tambourine at Southern Louisiana football games went viral in 2017? Source: "Rosalie Ashton-Washington, otherwise known as "Lady Tambourine", has won the hearts of fans across South Louisiana thanks to her passionate playing of the jingling instrument at recent college football games... Ashton-Washington's performances have netted hundreds of thousands of views on social media, even landing her on ABC News." [107]

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self-nominated at 15:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC).

Alexander Gordon (physician)

  • ... that Alexander Gordon clearly demonstrated that childbirth fever was contagious 66 years before Ignaz Semmelweis? Source: "Ignaz Semmelweiss published his seminal work Die Aetilogie der Begriff und die Prophylaxis des Kindbettfiebers some 66 years after Gordon's Treatise " Lowis
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Iainmacintyre (talk). Self-nominated at 10:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC).

Käte Frankenthal

Created by Slugger O'Toole (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 02:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date of creation and length both check out fine. The hook fact is interesting, and appropriately cited inline. Checks on ref #1, which is heavily used in the article reveal a few concerning similarities though: [109] Harrias talk 07:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Harrias, That source was very heavily used, but I tried not to paraphrase too closely. Could you point out one or two examples and I'll seek to rectify them? Thanks! And thanks also to Harrias for the nomination! --01:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Harold Clyde Bingham

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC).

Milton (electoral district)

Adam van Koeverden
Adam van Koeverden
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nom, no QPQ necessary, the picture is for ALT2. I don't have a preference for either of the hooks.

The expansion was moved from a userspace draft. 5x expanded by Username6892 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC).

  • New? Yes. Fivefold expansion on 19 June UTC from this (530 B prose) to this (2899 B prose). (Via WP:PROSESIZE.)
  • Long enough? Yes. 2,899 words of prose is definitely long enough!
  • Within policy? Looks good to me – details, in part, a hotly contested election between the Conservatives and Liberals with an objective tone. Cites mostly well-known newspapers and official government documents.
  • Hook:? Alt2 looks most broadly interesting to m