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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
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1 1
1 1
1 1
6 1
6 5
4 1
4 1
2 2
3 1
1 1
2 1
3 1
9 5
7 3
14 6
9 7
18 13
11 7
5 2
10 6
8 5
9 5
12 7
10 9
11 8
8 6
11 6
8 6
9 4
8 2
Total 233 125
Last updated 03:08, 18 January 2021 UTC
Current time is 03:35, 18 January 2021 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination[]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[]

Instructions for other editors[]

How to promote an accepted hook[]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on November 10[]

In Praise of Blood

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is long enough, well-cited, and was new enough when nominated. Copyvio check OK. Hook length OK. Good effort in article to create balance on a controversial topic. QPQ done. Ready to go. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC) -->
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the first part of the hook, with the quote, doesn't appear in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: the quote was there when I reviewed it but the article has come under attack and seems to be unstable at the moment. I think we need to wait until there is a stable version before we point to it from the main page. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg OK. Please keep us updated. Yoninah (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Buidhe, Yoninah, and Narutolovehinata5:, Not yet, sorry. The article was disputed, then frozen, and is now to be rebuilt. I hope to be more helpful soon, after family Christmas subsides. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Just finish the review once the changes have been done. I noticed that you've made multiple changes to the article so it seems a new reviewer will be needed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Thanks -- and of course you are right that the re-worked article will need a new review from someone who is not me. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A new review is needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
    There still are three maintenance tags on the article. Are those still valid? Edge3 (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
      • I think HouseOfChange has addressed the many of the underlying issues, is that correct? Can we just go ahead and remove the tags? (t · c) buidhe 16:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Well, I'm not familiar with the underlying dispute, but normally, yeah you can probably remove them. If someone challenges you, then that's a different story. Edge3 (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Buidhe and HouseOfChange: I've removed the tags. Could you please provide a new hook that reflects the current content of the article? Edge3 (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11[]

Alligator Rainwear

  • ... that an Alligator in PVC gave Mary Quant a wet look? Source: "Quant launched her 'Wet Collection' in April 1963 at the Hôtel de Crillon, Paris, featuring entirely PVC garments. ... The material was so innovative that it took another two years before a collaboration with British manufacturer Alligator Rainwear resulted in a commercially viable range of Mary Quant PVC raincoats." ([1])

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 01:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Unless the intention was to make the hook vague on purpose (or invite readers to read the Alligator link), I don't think the hook works unless you know what PVC is or are familiar with Quant. Could something less vague be suggested here too? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes it is deliberately ambiguous and intended for the final slot as there are no suitable free images for a picture hook. I think ALT1 will make a good hook there. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, surely all hooks ought to aim to get the reader to click on a link. Quant, Dior and Chanel have been called the three most important fashion designers of the 20th century. PVC is a commonly used and well-known material, not just in fashion. Edwardx (talk) 11:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the hook could work as an AFD hook with the current wording, but otherwise it still seems too vague personally. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: Would you be okay with the nomination running as an April Fools Day hook? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and is free from close paraphrasing. Whispy provided a QPQ. The "Wet Look" wording is only mentioned (uncited) in the lede, and Mary Quant is not linked in the body but only in the lede. In fact, several statements in the lede are only mentioned there (without a reference) and are not found anywhere else in the article. In addition, the "Recent history" section appears incomplete, as it makes no mention about when the brand was acquired. Meanwhile, the relationship between Alligator Mill and Alligator Rainwear is not made clear in the relevant section. As mentioned earlier, I have some reservations about approving either hook except as part of the AFD set, though I'm willing to request a second opinion from another editor who may be more willing to accept it. As a possible alternative, a hook about how one of the company's owners was a victim of the Munich air disaster is a possible option, though due to it being a negative event, not going with it is acceptable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 18:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: As the nomination is almost a month old and article issues remain, the nomination may be failed unless there is a prompt response and the issues are addressed. Courtesy ping to co-nominators Whispyhistory and Philafrenzy. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I see that Whispyhistory has been expanding the article further and has addressed several concerns that were raised above. Please let me know when you're done working on it so that the review may continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
    Thanks @Narutolovehinata5:...Not sure what else to do there. Maybe the others can think of a hook relating to Alligator's assistance being sought to fix/secure the PVC garment seams which led to Quant's PVC products being sold commercially. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@Whispyhistory: For one thing, the exact relationship between Alligator Mill and Alligator Rainwear is never elaborated on in the article and isn't immediately obvious in any case. There's also no mention of when and why they were acquired by Baker Street Brands, although if no sources (online or offline) that can elaborate on this, then it's okay. As for the hooks, I'm willing to approve either provided that they run on April Fools, as otherwise the hooks just feel too vague or misleading to be in the quirky slot as is. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:32, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I will look at the sourcing but the whole point of the last slot is to be vague, misleading, and humorous. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:45, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:. Thank you for being patient. I have done what I can. Will leave rest to @Philafrenzy and Edwardx:...unless you think I need to do more. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm just waiting for a confirmation that the expansion is finished and the review will continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12[]

West Bank bantustans

Palestinian-controlled West Bank
Palestinian-controlled West Bank
  • ... that the areas of Palestinian partial autonomy in the West Bank (pictured) currently comprise an "archipelago" of 165 islands? Source: Nathan Thrall (16 May 2017). The Only Language They Understand: Forcing Compromise in Israel and Palestine. Henry Holt and Company. p. 144. ISBN 978-1-62779-710-8. 90 percent of the population of the West Bank was divided into 165 islands of ostensible PA control

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 09:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg POV failure, duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
This is the wrong forum. Your blanking is not consistent with WP:DELETE. You are welcome to open a deletion discussion, then we can get back to this afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The POV problems in the article are beyond repair, the article duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 19:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I see that you have never submitted or reviewed at DYK before. I suggest you review the policies and procedures here before commenting further.
Please explain your issues with the article at the talk page so we can proceed constructively. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The premise that there are Bantustans is inherently POV premise which couldn't be fixed also like it was pointed is WP:POVFORK of West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord --Shrike (talk) 09:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
This is the wrong forum. You can call them what you want (islands? enclaves? patchwork? fragments?) but they are real. No respectable source denies that. The sources used in the article are of the highest quality. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Comment The article is one sided POV fest with chosen Pro-Palestinian POV authors to push a Bantustan concept in to I/P conflict. Its never could be a DYK material --Shrike (talk) 08:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Shrike, sorry but you are wrong. Let’s discuss on the article talk page (your sources appear to have failed verification), and then come back here afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Did you actually read both sources before making your claim? --Shrike (talk) 10:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Given that the article is still there and discussions have been going forth on the article talk page, a new review is clearly needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The topic of the article is not that clearly defined. To my reading, the main thrust is a mixture between a potential future final state which consists of enclaves, and a coverage of the comparisons of such enclaves (past, present, and future) to the bantustans. Regarding neutrality, while the usage of "bantustan" and related words through quotes seems like a necessary part of covering the topic well, the widespread usage of such words outside of quotes is concerning, and does not reflect common usage. Specifically regarding DYK, the proposed hook is inadequate, as it does not cover either of the entwined topics I mentioned before. Looking at just the hook alone the expected bolded article would be West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord. If the intended topic of the article is just those areas, then this article would be a POVFORK. If the intended topic is otherwise, and this can be clarified, the hook would need to relate to that topic. CMD (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Chipmunkdavis: thank you for these comments. The article has undergone significant improvements in the last two weeks, and an RM is still ongoing. This topic does seem to have struck a chord with a lot of editors; it was described in Haaretz a couple of years ago as "the most outstanding geopolitical occurrence of the past quarter century." I have also made some tweaks to the hook above. I suspect there will be further discussion on the talk page, including another RM, so I think it is better to wait a little further until reviewing again. Regards, Onceinawhile (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment Nothing has changed its same POV fest with cherry picked sources to present one sided POV.Its not DYK material --Shrike (talk) 07:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Note that this editor has behaved this way previously in DYK nominations about well-sourced topics covering elements of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. See Template:Did you know nominations/Old City of Hebron.
Raising concerns is good, and to be encouraged. But this editor raises non-specific concerns which cannot be addressed, and makes no effort to address the concerns themselves or engage in any real discussion. At Old City of Hebron they started with a few specific comments, which were all addressed, then pivoted to general comments which they refused to engage in discussion on.
I am not saying this article is perfect – as I have said above, there is work to do and discussions are ongoing. I am simply highlighting that there is a chance that this editor repeats the above claim going forward even when the article is ready and discussions have been resolved.
Onceinawhile (talk) 07:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Its not only me.Other editors opined that the article is problematic exactly like in the example you brought --Shrike (talk) 10:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Raising concerns is good and helpful. Topics related to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank are often politically sensitive, and our open-source encyclopedia is the best place on the internet for the topic precisely because we get input from editors of all persuasions.
If you don’t follow up your concerns with constructive discussion or editing, and endlessly repeat the non-specific claims, it is disruptive. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to leave this article on hold for now, but it cannot be considered for DYK while it remains unstable. I hope that the ongoing talk page discussions will provide more input regarding neutrality concerns. Perhaps the RM and similar discussions can also help hone in on a clear article topic. On DYK specific concerns, the current article posits the main topic as "proposed enclaves", and I would prefer a hook that reflects that topic (even though the current situation was undoubtedly proposed at some point). Hook assessment will also require a more stable article. CMD (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Agree w Chipmunkdavis. Also, the hook is confusing to me. What's the other 10 per cent? One island? 1000 islands? Not under PA control? Full PA control? It's just very confusing. 2604:2000:E010:1100:6014:F444:B44D:4B1D (talk) 07:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, yes – we have started to see some stability at the article, which is very encouraging. The editor above, Shrike, who has a track record of regular sniping at Israel-related DYKs but does not engage in constructive dialogue, has sadly continued this trend of non-engagement. His input would be appreciated. There remains an open RfC, which needs to be resolved before this DYK can proceed. Onceinawhile (talk) 02:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, The problem that the author has history of writing one sided WP:POV articles against the policy its not only my opinion but other editors think so also.Talk:West_Bank_bantustans#NPOV_concerns.Also there is an emerging consensus about name change against the author wishes. But let ask other editor that opined in this DYK if its became DYK material.@Buidhe:, @11Fox11: Could you please give your opinion about the article if it ready for DYK --Shrike (talk) 07:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Not ready, very POV. It was almost deleted, but just barely closed no-consensus at AfD. I probably will start a merge discussion soon. 11Fox11 (talk) 06:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The article doesn't seem to be very stable at the moment so I would suggest withholding a final review until that is resolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I have been checking in occasionally, but I am leaning towards expecting this article will inherently not be stable enough for DYK at the moment. CMD (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Given the stability and neutrality issues, as well as the disagreements between editors as to if the article is suitable for DYK or should even have an article at all, it appears that the article meeting DYK requirements is not feasible at this time. As such, this is now marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:39, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, any chance we could wait until the (possible) name change and then take a view? The article is actually very stable; despite all the friction over the name, there has not been a single edit war as far as I am aware. This is because the editors claiming POV have not brought any sources to support their claims. There doesn't seem to be any rush, and I don't think it is healthy to give in to this kind of transparent behavior which is, again, unsupported by sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

At least three separate editors have mentioned that the article is lacking in either stability or neutrality, and I haven't seen any comments from you explaining how the article is in fact neutral and stable apart from you dismissing their comments instead of addressing their concerns, regardless of their validity. In addition, I took a look at the article's history and it is still being continuously edited by other editors. At the very least, given the status of the article is in flux, it does not appear ready for DYK at this time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, yes I agree it should wait until the RM is done and any subsequent proposals are fully discussed. But I would appreciate if it was not closed at this point; I don't think we should set a precedent game plan for the exclusion of "difficult" subjects from DYK. Onceinawhile (talk) 12:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
As to "explaining how the article is in fact neutral", it has been built from a bibliography of almost 100 sources, primarily widely respected scholars and commentators. The sources have a reasonable balance of Israeli and Palestinian authors (albeit more Israeli than Palestinian), as well as American and other international authors.
I note that two months ago an opposing editor described it as a "one-sided POV fest with chosen Pro-Palestinian POV authors"; unfortunately in two months that editor has failed to provide a single source from any other POV. The article has also been expanded significantly since the date of that comment. Should this editor, or others, make further claims going forward, I hope they will be asked to substantiate them with actual sources, which – should these sources exist – could then be addressed. Onceinawhile (talk) 01:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
That this is on a difficult or controversial subject is itself not the issue here, the problem right now is more of stability since it's still actively being worked on by multiple editors. In addition, multiple editors have also expressed concerns about the article's neutrality and have yet to raise their objections. Until these issues are resolved, the article may not be approved for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, understood. What should we do if editors continue to raise objections without providing a clear route to addressing them? I am keen to avoid creating an easy way for editors to block articles from DYK. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree it would be nice to avoid that but the fact is it is easy for them to do it and so they will, I even saw one of these editors saying they should tag just to "keep the article off of the main page". Another just writes POV/UNDUE on everything regardless if that is true or not. This is to be expected in IP area, going by the sources is way down the list of priorities. So in practice, they can keep any DYK from progressing and I notice that's what has been happening. Just don't do DYK's for IP area, that's my advice.Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps this is a good moment to step back and consider how we think about DYK articles which cover "difficult" subjects. See below two examples which I have been involved in over the last couple of years, with some of the same opposing editors here, and which both relate to some of the more "sensitive" areas of the way the West Bank is run:

The first of these went through, only after I conceded to temporarily remove any reference to words which did not reflect well on Israeli policy, despite them being well-sourced. The second I withdrew, because the opposing comments essentially said that unless the article was rewritten to duplicate Hebron#History then they would not consider it fulsome. In both cases, as here, the opposing editors did not make any effort to edit the article themselves, and in the subsequent years did not edit the articles either. I would appreciate thoughts on how we should approach such situations more broadly. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24[]

Climate change in Kenya

Created/expanded by Gbadegesin Muhammed (talk) and Sadads (talk). Nominated by EMsmile (talk) at 16:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @EMsmile: This interesting article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT0 and ALT1 are cited inline, and the article is neutral. Unfortunately the article contains significant amounts of close paraphrasing. I rewrote one sentence that showed up with the Earwig tool, but then found other examples. The paragraph on tea for example includes "Sustainability of the industry is thus crucial to the country’s socio-economic well-being and development", which is lifted straight from the source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Cwmhiraeth: thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware of that - most of the work was done by Gbadegesin Muhammed but also some others during the Wiki4Climate edit-a-thon. I should have checked with the tool myself. We'll work on that issue. Is there a time frame by which we have to have improved it by? EMsmile (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I noticed the close paraphrasing myself when discussing the nomination of this article with EMsmile. I've done some copyediting without looking at the sources (apologies for not managing to do it before the review), for grammar and flow, and currently earwig isn't pulling up too much. CMD (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Bah I've found some egregious examples that earwig isn't picking up. This will require a thorough check. CMD (talk) 17:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@EMsmile: Thank you both. There is no particular time frame for sorting it out, but ideally, each paragraph should be compared with its source. That's how I noticed the paragraph about tea. New editors don't always understand about copyright. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@EMsmile and Cwmhiraeth: Gone through the article. Wouldn't say no to some double-checking/spot-checking if possible, but I think I've at least got most of it. CMD (talk) 16:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis:, thanks so much. I know that @PlanetCare: is also tackling this article these days. We discussed (in the Wiki4Climate Slack channel) the idea of using more of the standard structure that was proposed by WikiProject Climate Change. So hopefully it will continue to improve over the course of the week. EMsmile (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29[]

Valentina (singer)

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 20:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting song and singer, and I'm looking at both. Good foreign sources accepted AGF. Please mark the language of each source not English. No copyvio obvious. I am not happy with the hooks' wording. How about something like
ALT3: ... that Valentina won the Junior Eurovision Song Contest singing "J'imagine", as the first victory of France in the contest? - Also waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I forgot about the QPQ. Could you please wait till Tuesday or Wednesday? I'm also going to expand the first article a bit. (Look at the French one I wrote. It's better.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Moscow Connection, thanks for the QPQ. However, as you have nominated two articles, you must supply two QPQ reviews, not just one. Please do another one as soon as possible. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 30[]


  • Comment: Note: I am one day over in submitting this, because it was previously up for consideration at WP:ITNC (discussion), and only fell off the page there at midnight this morning. So any leeway you could give it would be appreciated.
  • Reviewed: The Adults Are Talking

Converted from a redirect by Ktin (talk), Jheald (talk), and My very best wishes (talk). Nominated by Jheald (talk) at 18:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg The article is new enough and long enough. The rationale for the two nonfree images is perfectly argued. I had some doubt for the first image, but searching in google-images didn't show the same image anywhere else. The article is neutral and well sourced. The "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" don't show any copyvio (it just marked the quoted part). You have done a great job, congratulations. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: in spirit of MOS:PEACOCK, I suggest the following blurb: ... that AlphaFold 2 won the 14th biannual CASP competition achieving 92% accuracy, essentially solving the decades-old protein folding problem. --bender235 (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Bender235: While claims such as "In a serious sense the single protein single domain [prediction] problem is largely solved" have been widely made (that quote is from conference chair John Moult's closing presentation to the conference), were very widely featured as a top line in media coverage, and have also been supported in thoughtful commentary by eg Mohammed AlQuraishi [2], they have also met with opposition; and so we are not currently running them on the article. (Though this could be changed). See article talk page for extended discussions. That is why I submitted the DYK text as above.
Note also that while AF2 has made a very significant advance in the protein structure prediction problem, this is a different question to the question of how protein folding develops in nature, so caution should be taken not to confuse the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jheald (talkcontribs) 09:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Returning to WP:DYKN until review is settled. I personally find the ALT0 wordy and difficult to understand. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Folks @Jheald, My very best wishes, Alexcalamaro, and Bender235:, this one has been open for sometime now, let's go ahead and drive this one to closure. I think the below text is the best that someone on homepage would be able to follow; anything more and we run the risk that folks find it too wordy or too complex. Let's move ahead, if you are good. Also @Yoninah: I do not want to presuppose your background but can you read the below two hooks as a layperson and let me know if you a) find it interesting b) generally get the gist of this one? If you are not a layperson for this topic, I am happy to go chase down some laypersons for this topic. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
ALT 3.0.... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has solved a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review).
ALT 4.0 .... that DeepMind's AI AlphaFold 2 can predict the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom? (source: MIT Technology Review).
  • @Ktin: I am a layperson, and I really like ALT 3.0. ALT 4.0 is also more understandable than ALT0. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks @Yoninah:. Wonderful. @Alexcalamaro and Bender235: -- if one of you have a moment, please can you review the above two hooks per the standard WP:DYK hook review guidelines? Cheers. Ktin (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I agree with Yoninah, ALT 4 blurb is very catchy. Probably the best choice. --bender235 (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ktin: I prefer ALT 3.0, I think fits better with the achievement and is more attractive for "the layperson" ;-) . Alexcalamaro (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Wonderful. Thanks both of you @Alexcalamaro and Bender235:. Please can one of you review the hooks per our guidelines and approve both the hooks, we can choose one from the two post that or empower the posting Admin to make a choice. But, first step, lets approve the hooks. Cheers. Thanks again folks. Ktin (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Both hooks ALT  3.0 and ALT 4.0 meet our guidelines Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Passing the baton over to you Yoninah to take it from here. I am good with either of the hooks (ALT3 or ALT4). I know you had prefered ALT3 and Bender235 had prefered ALT4. Alexcalamaro -- do you want to cast the tie-breaker vote? ;) Ktin (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I vote for ALT 3.0 option (after all, we are talking about folding proteins). Alexcalamaro (talk) 19:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks much Alexcalamaro. Passing the baton to Yoninah. Over to you now for next steps :) Thanks everyone. I want to specially thank @Jheald and My very best wishes: who have done and continue to do lots of good work on the article. Genuinely thank you folks. Ktin (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I think all these versions of hooks, including ALT3 and ALT4 misinform a reader. No, the "50-year-old grand challenge of biology" has not been solved. There will be many future CASP meetings to assess further progress in this direction. Just saying that it "predicts the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom" is also wrong. No, it does not. AlphaFold-2 makes sufficiently precise predictions only for 2/3 of proteins, according to CASP assessors. But even in these good cases it does NOT predict protein structure with such precision for all atoms, as a reader would assume. Actually, such claim is simply ridiculous because there is protein dynamics and there is no such thing as . There are only atomic radii, but but this is not a single number; they are very different for different types of atoms. Also, this is not "shape", but a three-dimensional structure. The referencing is to a misleading opinion piece. Author does make a claim that AlphaFold can predict the shape of proteins to within the width of an atom, but he apparently does not have a slightest idea what he is talking about. Let's not multiply the misinformation in Wikipedia. Please see the hook I suggested above (it can be shortened if needed). My very best wishes (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

  • All, very good points My very best wishes, but, this gets very close to WP:OR unless substantiated with a clear note from WP:RS. For now, the statements are sourced perfectly from WP:RS, and I think they meet the layperson's needs on the homepage. My suggestion is let's move forward with ALT3 as discussed above. Ktin (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, there are indeed WP:News sources about it (some of which claim nonsense like predicting "the shape of proteins to within the width of an atom"). However, this is an extraordinary and exceptional claim about solving a fundamental scientific problem, and not everyone agree (some similar WP:News type sources claim the opposite). I think we do need some WP:MEDRS quality sources here, such as serious independent scientific reviews. There is none. The method (AlfaFold-2) has not been published. The official assessment on CASP has not been published in any peer reviewed journal.
For example, as this article tells, "DeepMind’s press release trumpeted “a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology” based on its breakthrough performance on a biennial competition dubbed the Critical Assessment of Protein Structure Prediction (CASP). But the company drew criticism from academics because it made its claim without publishing its results in a peer-reviewed paper. ... “Frankly the hype serves no one,” and so on. I just do not think we should multiply this "hype" in WP. My very best wishes (talk) 20:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @My very best wishes: in a literal sense the protein folding problem is not "solved," since we can obviously always move the goalposts regarding the necessary precision (≥90% accuracy? ≥99%? ≥99.99%?). The jump in precision at this year's CASP certainly deserves to be called a "breakthrough." I agree that the catchy "width of an atom" is not a precisely determined length (just as the even more popular "width of a human hair" is not); the press release said less than two angstrom, which we could use, too. --bender235 (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Yes, one can say a "breakthrough" (I agree), but one can not say that "the problem was solved" for a number of reasons, such as (a) the protein set on CASP is absolutely not a representative set of proteins (it included only one membrane protein and the group was ranked #43 for this target, it did not include any "intertwined" protein structures or any linear peptides or any proteins with unique sequence in genomes, and so on.), (b) the method has not been even published and is not publicly available for independent evaluation, (c) AF2 has failed for a single multi-domain protein in CASP14 data set, while such proteins represent a majority in Eukaryotes, (c) the method was not tested for protein complexes. This is not at all about the percentage. We simply do not know that percentage. We do not even know the percentage on CASP until the assessment has been officially published. My very best wishes (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I would oppose to most of these hooks. OK, let's keep it simple. We do have page AlphaFold. I think this is fair page. However, any hook above (except my suggestion) simply contradicts this page. Does it follow from our AlphaFold page that it "has solved a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology"? No, it does not. Does it follow that AF2 "can predict the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom?" No, it does not. Not at all. Take the lead of this page and summarize it in the hook please. That is what I was trying to do. My very best wishes (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Now, let's consider first hook at the top that the results of DeepMind's AlphaFold 2 program in the CASP 14 protein structure prediction competition have been called "astounding" and transformational?. Well, this is actually much better than last versions. Yes, this is advertisement (just as others), but at least this is not an explicit misinformation. Some people did say that, and most important, yes, the results were very good. My very best wishes (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • In the spirit of serving our homepage readers, I will still recommend that we go with either of ALT3 or ALT4. Sufficient backing form WP:RS to move ahead. Ktin (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Maybe we could change the "problematic" word solve by crack (also used in the MIT review), so we keep the catchy hook for the "layperson", without multiplying the "hype". What do you think of this one? :
ALT 3.1 ... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has cracked a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review).

Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Alexcalamaro: I am good with this hook (i.e. ALT 3.1). Ktin (talk) 06:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK, we need an uninvolved reviewer to review ALT3.1. Striking unused hooks Yoninah (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
OK. I am an uninvolved reviewer because I was not on CASPs for a long time and I do not have connections to CASP organizers or any participants. I only helped with editing page about AF2 in WP. Here is my independent assessment. Yes, there was a great progress with protein structure prediction on CASP14. True. However, "protein folding problem" was NOT solved by AF2 (yet). This is hype. Here is why:
  1. There was only one transmembrane protein in CASP14 dataset, and AF2 team was ranked #43 for this target; the prediction for this target by AF2 or other groups is far cry from solving the structure. Transmembrane proteins constitute at least 25-30% of proteins in human genome [3] (more by other estimates)
  2. The performance by AF2 was not great for multidomain proteins, as could be expected because AF2 was not tested for predicting protein complexes. The subunits in complexes are similar to domains. Up to 80% of all eukaryotic proteins are multidomain proteins [4].
Was it solved by AF2 at least for single domains of water-soluble proteins? There is no proof of that because
  1. Many proteins are represented by just a single or by a few related sequences in sequence databases, when one can not make large sequence alignment. However, AF2 method is actually based on using large high quality sequence alignments. We do not know if AF2 was tested for such cases and how did it perform.
  2. As follows from presentations on CAS14 (for example, [5]) AF2 did NOT achieve the accuracy of experimental methods. Moreover, looking at the distance cutoff-sequence coverage graphs here for specific CASP14 targets (T1024, T1027, T1028, T1029, T1030, T1032, T1040, T1047, T1052, T1061, T1070, T1091, T1092, T1099 T1100), one can see they are not even very close. For example, T1024 has only 50% of residues covered by best models for distance cutoff of 2A. Yes, they correctly predicted protein "fold", even family where it belongs (which is great!), but this is far cry from "solving protein folding" problem.
  3. AF2 is not publicly available for an independent evaluation
  4. AF2 and assessment of AF2 were not published not only in WP:MEDRS sources, but in any peer reviewed sources.
  5. GDT measure used by CASP assessors is a poor (insensitive) measure of performance for high-precision modeling. Having GDT of 90 or 60 (e.g. [6]) does not mean that 90% or 60% of the structure was predicted with the same accuracy as provided by X-ray crystallography, for example.
My conclusion Hook ALT 3.1 is misinformation. Do not do it. My very best wishes (talk) 14:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Following the comments above by My very best wishes and aiming to reach a wide consensus, I propose the following alternative hook :
ALT 3.2 ... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has made great progress towards a decades-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review Nature)).

Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's OK, with one correction: if you need a ref, it should be this [7]. That MIT writer makes too many incorrect claims, such as AF2 used 170,000 PDB structures for training (they used less), etc. My very best wishes (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I have changed the source of ALT3.1 to Nature, and added the hook text to the "Responses" section of the article (to meet Hooks criteria). We need more reviewers to validate the proposal. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey @Yoninah and Ktin: I think we have a consensus here with ALT3.2. I am not very familiar with these matters. What is the next step in the DYK process? Thank you. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Missed this one. @Yoninah: as an uninvolved editor, please can you help review this one? I know this has been waiting for a long time, but, worth wrapping this one imo. Appreciate your helping hand in the review. Ktin (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, ALT3.2 looks good but there is a bit of run-on blue linking in the beginning of the hook. What words don't need to be linked? I also would like to know why the two images from a CASP presentation are licensed as fair use. It seems to me that OTRS permission should be obtained from the author. Alternately, can't someone draw up a similar graph that would be freely licensed? Yoninah (talk) 18:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[]

Israel–Morocco normalization agreement

Created by Thepharoah17 (talk) and Feminist (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 18:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • The article does not support the hook statement that the recognition is "contrary to" the UN position. And ALT2 is not appropriately even-handed - the article reflects both support and the opposite by various parties. Neither of those are appropriate. 2604:2000:E010:1100:8813:945C:33AD:2B50 (talk) 17:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The article reports that the UN says its position is "unchanged", with a message "to avoid any action that could further aggravate a tense situation", implying disapproval of the new US position. ALT2 is notable because Inhofe is generally known as close to Trump and his administration. A DYK hook does not have to be reflective of all of the article's viewpoints as a whole, as long as the hook, viewed in isolation, meets neutrality requirements. feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 04:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • As to the first hook - I looked at it again, and at the effort in the above statement to demonstrate that the hook reflects accurately what the article says, and still believe it does not.
As to ALT1 (I apologize-that is what I was referring to, not ALT2), it is not at all a neutral reflection of what the article states - though it would be fine if it were to say it were condemned by some parties and lauded by some parties. We should not be using DYK to give a mistaken impression of what the article says-that's contrary to our goals, and simply inappropriate.
I don't have a problem with the language of ALT2, which I see as the only acceptable hook-sorry for the confusion.
Another ALT that would be acceptable in my view is simply ALT 2A " ... that as part of the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement, the US agreed to recognize Morocco's claim to Western Sahara."
2604:2000:E010:1100:7462:CB4D:B27A:20DE () 09:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree that the normalization agreement has received both statements of support and opposition, but I don't think any country has specifically said anything positive about the US's recognition of Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? For what it's worth, I consider Al Jazeera to be a biased source on any issue relating to Israel, though this particular article is reliable for what it is used to support. feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 12:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I find the recognition of the Western Sahara claim to be hooky enough, perhaps adding a subsequent clause to the hooks dilutes the impact of this change. The hooks could use a link to Political status of Western Sahara. That said, the article is not in great shape. It's a poorly organised stub, and needs to be reworked and could use a bit more expansion. The source used for the Western Sahara recognition doesn't mention the topic. CMD (talk) 05:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed ALT3 above. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis: I have expanded the article a bit to provide some context and more details. Other editors are of course welcome to aid in its expansion. Regarding ALT3, I have slight concerns that non-Americans may not be sufficiently aware of what "bipartisan" means in the context of American politics. feminist (talk) 09:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Feminist, we could link Bipartisanship? Onceinawhile (talk) 09:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
The new structure is an improvement, but the article is still mixing up the Reuters sources, and thus mixing up definite results of the agreement such as the recognition and potentially unrelated effects such as the drone sails. I'm also surprised it doesn't mention the commitment for a US embassy in the Western Sahara, which is a concrete statement of recognition. For the hook, I continue to suggest leaving reactions and other opinions to the article rather than the hook. CMD (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree w CMD's observation that "I find the recognition of the Western Sahara claim to be hooky enough, perhaps adding a subsequent clause to the hooks dilutes the impact of this change."2604:2000:E010:1100:6014:F444:B44D:4B1D (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hmm. Average readers will not understand the huge significance of this, with the Trump administration having unilaterally broken ranks with a half-century-old global consensus. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The only reason this is making the news at all is because of Trump's giveaway recognition, approved of by no-one so far. The UN will discuss it on Monday, why not wait for input from that. (talk) 10:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

So after the meeting (closed door) only new thing is South African ambassador comments to the press after:- "decisions contrary to multilateral collective decisions must be discouraged and unequivocally disregarded. We believe that any recognition of Western Sahara as part of Morocco is tantamount to recognizing illegality as such recognition is incompatible with international law," he said. Selfstudier (talk) 10:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC) and now there is this.!.Selfstudier (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Proposed ALT4 above. I think it most neutral --Shrike (talk) 08:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
IMHO ALT4 is best, in part because it is most neutral, but also because it is most hooky. 2603:7000:2143:8500:949A:D11A:56E8:1AB8 () 08:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately it is the least notable part of the topic. Per our article Israel–Morocco relations, this event has changed little about the relations between Morocco and Israel. But the proposed change of status of Western Sahara is potentially seismic for global international relations. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
First, I wouldn't point to a wp article as a source. Second, this article suggests that the Trump position may be of no consequence, if it is at odds with the UN position--which may perhaps be something less than "potentially seismic" impact. Third, as has been pointed out, Biden can in a month switch the US position on the Western Sahara .. which isn't really on the tip of everyone's tongue ... sort of what our former Libertarian candidate might call the "Aleppo" of the moment. I think its pretty clear that the Israel-Morocco actual agreement is of greater moment. But others can judge. 2603:7000:2143:8500:875:774:88D6:7C29 () 09:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I can't agree that the normalization, which Morocco itself denies is a normalization, is of any great consequence, nothing has really changed that much except that most commentators agree that Morocco got a sweetie from Trump that it should not have got. Morocco has gone out of its way to say that the deal is a package so what happens to the "normalization" if the package gets changed? The only notable aspect of this "deal" other than the sweetie is that it is subject to a full court press from the Trump admin looking for a cheap policy win, claiming it is a part of the Abraham Accords (it isn't) that it's a peace agreement (it isn't), that embassies will be exchanged (they won't), Kushner visit and so on. And while the impact at the UN may not be "seismic" this is not the first time that the US (via Trump) has in effect contradicted its own signature at the UN and that will have consequences.Selfstudier (talk) 11:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Sounds like subjective OR (its a "sweetie," "Trump admin looking for a cheap policy win," "ot isn't" part of the Abraham Accords, "Kushner visit," "Trump .. has contradicted .. own signature," "will have consequences"). This editor's subjective view isn't the sort of thing we should base these decisions on. This is an article about the Agreement. The hook should relate to the Agreement. And the hook asserting "bipartisan domestic and international opposition" ignores the domestic (two of the three senators speaking-and not sure what "bipartisan" has to do with this anyway) and international (many countries) support - also seems as subjective as the prior editor's comments.2603:7000:2143:8500:481B:DDBA:F6D9:9AB9 () 09:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
OR is allowed on talk pages and not allowed in the article, as you have been doing. You may not like my wording but it reflects the sources I have provided. ALT 3 remains the best hook. And your unsigned ALT 5 is "about the agreement", how, exactly? Selfstudier (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Good Hook I support either 4 or 5 --Shrike (talk) 12:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
This hook is incorrect, as "The decision to add Jewish history and culture to lessons was discreetly launched before the diplomatic deal was announced."[10] I like the idea - it is certainly notable (and hard to believe) that the country of origin of the second-largest Jewish ethnic group in Israel had not previously taught any Jewish history - but it seems strange to have a hook about a topic that is not directly linked to the article. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Another suggestion above.[11] Onceinawhile (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 12[]

Kirka Sharif

Created/expanded by Zakaria1978 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Zakaria1978, welcome to DYK. This article is currently not eligible for DYK. It is a little under the minimum length of 1,500 characters of text and there are no citations for the "Mosque" section (the DYK rules are listed here for reference. If you can remedy this then I will happily take another look for you - Dumelow (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nominator is no longer editing. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Dumelow and Yoninah, I am so sorry for the late response. I work in the medical field and I have been super busy at work because of the global pandamic. Had to be on call and do overtime the last few weeks. I added more references and content to the article. Please reconsider my DYK, I sincerely apologise for this. Again, my work became very stressful. As you know, the Global South on Wikipedia is not well covered per Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Politics, and this religious site is very important to WP:Islam and WP:South Asia/WP:Central Asia. Please reconsider and kindly let me know what I need to do. Zakaria1978 ښه راغلاست (talk) 17:46, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Zakaria1978, apologies for delay in replying, I have been away over Christmas. Happy to look again at this. One query though, is this the same as the Shrine of the Cloak (Kherqa Sharīfa) which we already have an article for? - Dumelow (talk) 09:54, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
One is the actual building and the other is about the sacred object. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 13:50, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Zakaria1978: The way that Shrine of the Cloak is written currently seems to refer to the building. For example it is listed on the "Mosques in Afghanistan" template and is in the "Mosques in Afghanistan" and "Buildings and structures in Kandahar Province" categories. If Shrine of the Cloak is about the cloak alone it should be at Cloak of Muhammad or possibly - Dumelow (talk) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, just like Kanishka casket which was found in the Kanishka stupa (now located in Peshawar Museum), the sacred cloak which was worn by prophet Muhammad (PBUH) during the famous Isra and Mi'raj can be moved to another location or museum - like the Kanishka casket has been taken from the famous stupa to Peshawar museum. The Kirka Sharif on the other hand is the structure with its own history and importance surviving centuries and empires, from the Durranis to the British. Yes, the other article's true name is Cloak of Muhammad. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Zakaria1978: OK, I've moved the old shrine article to Cloak of Muhammad and linked it back to this one. I've also move content relevant to the shrine to this article from the other. I've probably become too involved to carry out an objective DYK review so I'll relist this for a second opinion - Dumelow (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough. Passes earwig. No QPQ needed. Approving Alt 2. --evrik (talk) 23:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this. I edited and reorganized the article, and removed most cites from the lead. However, the fact about the shrine becoming notable in literature is not cited anywhere in the article. Also, as we are talking about a shrine, there is no description of the architectural design or its date of construction; a section called History or Description should be added right after the lead. Does anyone visit the shrine? This should be part of this new section too. Yoninah (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah, I will look over your recommendation soon. I am very busy at work, I am in the medical profession. So, very busy right now. But, will have something within the next few days. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Jaffna Stallions in 2020

Created by Empire AS (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC).

  • @Empire AS: I am not going to spend my time editing this as I did Galle Gladiators in 2020, but please look at my edits on that article to clarify the numbers you're using in the Season Summary here. Please link cricket terminology on the first mention, and avoid slang language, as in the very first sentence of the Season Summary. Thanks. Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, it looks like another editor has been editing this. I did additional copyediting and I think the text looks good now. I would like to look at the other cricket articles that you've nominated and then make my suggestion for a multi-hook here. Yoninah (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Awaiting changes to the charts per discussion at Talk:Galle Gladiators in 2020#Article issues. Then this will be incorporated into the multi-article hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah, the hook looks fine and alright to me. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 07:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

It should be noted that, as the currently-proposed hook has five bolded links (meaning you will hit 5 DYK credits with this one hook), the next time you nominate an article for DYK, you will be required to perform a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: four of the articles were nominated by one editor, one by another. They're still working out the charts on all 5 articles, but when that's finished, I'll incorporate all the articles onto this template and do a full and detailed review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Dambulla Viiking in 2020

Created by DT Truth (talk). Nominated by Empire AS (talk) at 08:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I edited the article and added a number of tags where information is not clear. I removed the Game 4 write-up, which seems to be about two different teams other than the Viiking. It's not clear which team the players belong to in Game 5. Yoninah (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I think I've corrected it. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 13:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Empire AS: thank you. But what about Game 4? And that word "However" in Game 5 is throwing me off; could you identify which teams the players in the previous sentence play for? Yoninah (talk) 13:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently at AFD; on hold until discussion there concludes one way or the other. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Colombo Kings in 2020

Created by Fade258 (talk). Nominated by Empire AS (talk) at 08:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. However, several references are bare URLs, per Rule D3. I gave the article a copyedit and added tags where I did not understand what it was talking about: balls, runs, wickets? I also added a question in a hidden note. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • I will address the hook when all the articles are ready for a multi-article hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently at AFD; on hold until discussion there concludes one way or the other. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Galle Gladiators in 2020

Created by Tahaaleem (talk) Self-nominated at 20:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has numerous cleanup tags on it. I have also struck ALT0 because we do not print unlinked names on the main page. Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, thank you for reviewing, however I will ameliorate the article as soon as possible. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 20:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've added the 2nd hook. What do you think about it? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 09:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, the tags have been removed. So please can you view it again. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 09:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK. I read through the article and frankly, I understood nothing. I left tags at every place where you're talking about a number and not defining what that number means—balls? wickets? runs? Or what? It would help when you're writing these articles to link unfamiliar terms on their first mention, such as "batting", "bowling", "run rate", and "target". I also deleted the Squad and Administration sections, which belong in the 2020 season template at the bottom.
  • Regarding the hooks, ALT1 is practically a news report, not a hook. Shorter is always better. In ALT2, "LPL" is going to have to be spelled out, which is going to send the character count over the 200-character limit. As someone who knows nothing about cricket, this hook also doesn't make sense to me so I wouldn't want to click on it. In ALT3, same problem: if you don't know what a fifer is, the hook holds no interest. Try to write something that will appeal to an international, non-cricket audience. Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, thank you for reviewing it again, however, I will clarify all the salient parts as soon as possible. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 21:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article reads very well now. It is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Putting on temporary hold pending suggestion of a multi-article hook with other LPL cricket nominations. Yoninah (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article now has a merge tag. Yoninah (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Kandy Tuskers in 2020

Created by Fade258 (talk). Nominated by CreativeNorth (talk) at 12:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The source reflects the hook, and the article appears appropriate, but the hook doesn't make sense to an average reader. Suggest something like: that the Sri Lankan Lanka Premier League cricket team the Kandy Tuskers is owned by Bollywood actor Sohail Khan? Sadads (talk) 13:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sadads: I've took your advice with ALT2, does it look any better. Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 18:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg That looks right, lets go with ALT2, Sadads (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry, but none of the hooks are accurate because they make you think you're clicking on Kandy Tuskers, not an article about their 2020 season. Please write a different hook that clues the reader to the topic. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Sorry if I'm being annoying. But I've tried to make ALT3 less wordy and also added an ALT4. Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @CreativeNorth: as I said above, these new hooks also make it seem like you're clicking on the team article, not the article about the 2020 season. I took a look at the article and gave it a complete copyedit. Please check to see that I understood what you were talking about (I know nothing about cricket) and then I will suggest an alt. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for the copyedit, in your opinion what would you suggest for a hook then. Thanks CreativeNorth (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've created 3 new ALTs (6, 7 and 8). What have you to say about them? Moreover, the most runs wasn't made by Dambulla's cricketer but by Galle' batsman. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 10:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Empire AS: Thanks for this, I've edited the hooks a bit to make them more hooky. @Yoninah: What do you think?
  • @CreativeNorth:@Empire AS: the new hooks are better. But what is a total? What is a target? You're writing for an international audience who may not know what you're referring to.
  • Regarding my request for sourcing on the Squads and Administrative charts, you'll see I removed them from the article because you have the squad members at least in the template below. Perhaps add the administrative members there and you won't need sourcing. Yoninah (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I went over the article again in advance of suggesting a multi-article hook and it looks all right. The number of charts in this and the other articles, though, seems to violate WP:CITEKILL. Yoninah (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for going over this again. As for the article violating WP:CITEKILL, does this need to be fixed? If so then how can this be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. CreativeNorth (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@CreativeNorth: See discussion at Talk:Galle Gladiators in 2020#Article issues. Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently at AFD; on hold until discussion there concludes one way or the other. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[]

Troy, Montana

5x expanded by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 04:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral, and I detected no copyright issues. (I didn't know there were flying squirrels in North America.) A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there are a number of paragraphs without any cites, per Rule D2. I also think that shortening the hook would make it punchier:
  • ALT1: ... that Troy, Montana, has flying squirrels?
  • However, I don't see this mentioned in footnote 17. Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Whoops, you're absolutely right. I must've forgotten to copy and paste a source after the squirrels, and I'll source the rest of the paragraphs within a few days and ping you. Thanks! originalmessbusta rhyme 00:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Some paragraphs under Geography and 2010 Census still lack cites. Yoninah (talk) 12:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 15[]


A 2GB 2018 LattePanda
A 2GB 2018 LattePanda
  • ... that the LattePanda (pictured) has the same specifications as some MacBooks but costs a third of their price? Source: "The new LattePanda Alpha single-board computer may be similar in size to the tiny Raspberry Pi but its specs are to closer to an Apple MacBook ... the LattePanda Alpha starts at $358 .... The LattePanda Alpha uses the same class of Intel processor as found in the $1,200 12-inch MacBook.([32])
    • ALT1:... that the LattePanda (pictured) has the same specifications as some MacBooks but costs about $1,000 less? Source: as above

Created by Ritchie333 (talk) and Yngvadottir (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 18:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New article. Long enough (just). Suitably referenced. QPQ done. Photo is suitably licensed. Earwig's Copyvio Detector is happy. There are issues with both hooks. Yes, it does say what is stated in ALT0 in the sources, but it doesn't say that in the article. With regards to ALT1, it's not $1,000 cheaper but closer to $800. Schwede66 20:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I've tweaked the prose for ALT0. For ALT1, whether 842 is "about" 1,000 depends on context. In this case, something over $1,000 versus something far under it possibly is. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I've duplicated the appropriate ref in the target article so that it appears at the end of the relevant sentence (one of those silly little DYK rules). With that, ALT0 is good to go. I've struck ALT1 for clarity (and no, I don't want to get into a discussion whether 842 is "about" 1,000). Schwede66 00:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Isn't the hook rather promotional? Yoninah (talk) 13:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • No, just a criticism of Apple's inflated prices. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah Do you think there should be a new hook? SL93 (talk) 03:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes. I'm afraid this is going to be flagged at ERRORS. Pinging Ritchie333. Yoninah (talk) 10:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Thank you, but it doesn't sound so hooky. There's not a lot to work with in the article. Pinging Ritchie333 one more time for another hook. Yoninah (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Do you need a reliable source saying that Macs are expensive, or would you say it's original research to find that second hand Macs on eBay are more expensive than second hand PCs, let alone Raspberry Pis or other small form factor computer boards? I honestly don't know what you're getting at here. You have given no reason what the issue is with the hook other than “I don’t like it waaah!” so I am disengaging from you. Please do not ping or template me again, Thankyou. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article seems to exaggerate the capability of the LattePanda vs. the MacBook based on the sourcing given. The article says the LattePanda uses "the same class of Intel processor", not the same one (are they the same speed processor, or just the same class?). It also says that while the LattePanda is similar in size to the Pi, "its specs are closer to an Apple MacBook", which to me reads as if, on a continuum between Pi and MacBook, it's closer to the latter. (If it were all the way there, I would expect the source to say that rather than "closer to".) So "similar specifications and capability" strikes me as a major reach, absent a more specific source. Note also that this was in comparison to the MacBook, which used m3 chips in its less powerful configurations, not the MacBook Pro as stated in the article. Because of the inadequate support of the hook claims in the source, I have struck the original hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
You can turn a LattePanda into a Hackintosh easily enough [33]. I've put MacOS High Sierra on a 2012 Dell Optiplex and it runs fine. Nice to know people hate my Wikipedia writing. See you at Wikipediocracy, probably saying something about Trump's impeachment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I'm marking this for closure since it's clear Ritchie333 isn't going to address the issues. If he wishes to engage civilly, that's up to him, but absent that this is over. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Recognizing that this DYK might be over already, I'm not sure how much more specific a source BlueMoonset wants. There's only 1 12" MacBook model that came with a 7th gen m3 CPU, which was the 7Y32 model. The source very clearly states LattePanda has a 7Y30, which is only 100mhz slower base clock. They have the exact same RAM configurations. Not sure how much more "similar spec" they could be. That the article said "MacBook Pro" was probably an innocent mistake I already fixed. -- ferret (talk) 22:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
ferret, the sources do not say that they have the exact same RAM configurations and 100mhz difference in clock speed; indeed, the weasel wording of that particular source is not adequate to support the hook. (Sourcing is key here.) It seems you have specific knowledge of the separate machines, but at the moment, absent specific sourcing/comparisons in that regard, it's effectively WP:OR. Don't other reliable sources do the relevant comparisons? BlueMoonset (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19[]

Leslie Landau

  • Reviewed: Moral blindness
  • Comment: The article is new and was hung up being relisted at AfD for a while. It was expanded significantly during that time.

Created by Adin-Atherton (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 10:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The lead needs to be expanded to show more of how the subject is notable. In the Early life section, "and Rose Bertha Friedlander" needs to be referenced. The last two sentences in the article need to be referenced. Otherwise - The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I cannot access. A QPQ has been completed. The hook is directly cited. SL93 (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


  • ... that the artificial intelligence program GPT-2 can summarize, respond to, generate, and even translate human-level writing, despite being trained to do nothing more than predict the next word in a sequence? Source: OpenAI paper, ref in article
    • ALT1: ... that ...

5x expanded by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

Going to be a harsh review because I think it's important we get this topic right.

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - Under "Architecture", the last paragraph is lacking citations, as is the last sentence of the first paragraph.
  • Neutral: Red XN - I have some concerns. Claims that GPT-2 "often" passes the Turing test (implied with an Easter egg link) is not implausible, but it's such a high-impact claim that I think it needs secondary sources to show that this is accepted within the field. Throughout the article I do have concerns that the prose is parrotting primary claims a little bit without the appropriate prose attribution of viewpoint, or sounding a bit too much like a pitch to investors ("While its objective is simple", "GPT-2 became capable of performing well"). A copyediting run with this in mind should solve it—most claims could be toned down or attributed, the alternative being more academic secondary sources.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - "Scale-up" and "tokenization" are dab links. When it comes to the lead image, can you explain to me why it's freely licensed? Screenshots are not in general, of course, and while lots of OpenAI content might be open-source, all I see on this specific website is a "© 2020 InferKit".
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Hook is interesting and its claims are uncontroversial enough for the primary source to be fine. It would be good if the article could mention the stages of source code release—am I right that all the code is now released? Or just some? But of course, the researchers initially had concerns. Possibly the topic is not quite D7 "complete" without some description of the source code releases. — Bilorv (talk) 23:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the brutality. Truth be told, I was planning to write an article at least twice this size (if not more); the technical background took me longer than I anticipated, and I ended up getting buttonholed by IRL goings-on halfway through. There is definitely a lot of stuff that ought to be in there, and isn't; I was contemplating just doing it when I got back home, but I was running out of time to submit a DYK! OpenAI's claims are, indeed, wild and outrageous, but there are a lot of secondary sources to back them up (and, for a while at least, it was possible to go try it out yourself on a few websites and get your mind blown in real time). I don't know when I will have time to go through and put those sources in, but I can try to carve out some time in the next couple days. As for the image, well, TalkToTransformer is currently part of some gee-whiz startup, but prior to that I believe it had different licensing information (will try to find it for you). Would be an interesting quandary to figure out whether GPT-2 holds copyright to its own works, huh? Anyway, I have to do some stuff tonight but I will try to get started on all this crap tomorrow. And thanks for the review! jp×g 00:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
No worries, often getting a foothold can be the hardest part and I'll give you a few days, know it's a busy time of year for many. — Bilorv (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
@JPxG: at the one week mark, I see you've not really been active since but since the problems could take a while to fix, I think I'll have to fail this in a few days unless you can find a time in your schedule to commit to resolving the above. Either way I hope the comments are useful for the article's future progress. — Bilorv (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Have got some free time today, will finish it off. jp×g 15:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@JPxG: I'll give you 24 hours but after that I think I'll have to fail this, sorry. — Bilorv (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, adding the relevant sections now. jp×g 23:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, I'm going to have to fail this. It's been an additional 24 hours and improvements have been made, but I believe there are still neutrality issues that are a barrier to showing this on the main page. I hope the feedback is useful and would look forward to future development of the topic. — Bilorv (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@Bilorv: I've added some more citations to the claims you mentioned above (like its output being plausibly interpreted as human, which most of the sources support, and which I've clarified in the lede suffers on longer passages); I'm not sure what action can be taken to give it more neutrality. In your initial review you mentioned phrases like "its objective is simple" sounding like an investor pitch. The reason for this specific phrasing is because, well, its objective was simple: unlike previous ML models measured on the same benchmarks (which often involved extensive task-specific fine-tuning), GPT-2 was not reinforced on its performance on any task other than text prediction. That is to say, during its training, it was not assessed on any metrics for machine translation or summarization; similarly, "perform well" is based on things like its performance on the WMT-14 French-English test set on which it achieved 11.5 BLEU (comparable or superior to other unsupervised translation models, but unlike them, it contained only 10MB of untranslated French in its training corpus). jp×g 02:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
We've still got the Easter egg link asserting that the model "sometimes" passes the Turing test, which would need explanation in prose in the body with attribution of this view. I didn't hear back on that licensing point. At the time I wrote the above, there were still uncited parts and none of this WMT-14 evidence in prose (which is absolutely a great improvement). I'm not happy to extend this review indefinitely, after setting a hard time limit that was not met after quite some leeway. I will reluctantly call for a new review if you insist on this. — Bilorv (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, back again today. I've never had a DYK fail before so I am going to do my best on this one. jp×g 00:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Brian Crabtree

  • ... that Kendo Nagasaki once refused to wrestle Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree with his brother Brian Crabtree refereeing? Source: New Society : The Social Science Weekly. Vol. 41-42. 1977. p. 628. ISSN 0028-6729

Created by Copper1993 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 09:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg There is an earwig issue, and I'm not thrilled with the hook. --evrik (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • There is one passage that is an exact copy of the wording from one of the sources, run earwig and you'll see. --evrik (talk) 05:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Evrik: You did notice that is a false positive as that particular source is just a big text dump from several wikipedia pages and it doesn't make any sense putting into context? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I missed that. Can you offer an alternate hook? --evrik (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • It's boring, confusing and not hooky enough. --evrik (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • OK I can reword it:
  • ALT2... that Brian Crabtree's closeness with his brothers in professional wrestling, Kendo Nagasaki once refused to wrestle Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree with Brian refereeing?
  • @The C of E: What do you think of Alt2? --evrik (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: please tell me what's going on with linking in the hooks. Should Shirley Crabtree and Kendo Nagasaki be linked? --evrik (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is excellent @Evrik: and happy to go with it. Though I would object to the linking as it will draw clicks away from the hook and be close to WP:OLINK in my view. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Made in Canada

  • ... that the certification mark Product of Canada may be used for a good if at least 98% of all direct costs to create it are incurred in Canada? Source: "The Competition Bureau requires that at least 98 per cent of a good’s total direct costs of production or manufacturing are incurred in Canada before that good can be legally advertised as a "Product of Canada."" (Made in Canada or Product of Canada? There's a difference)

Moved to mainspace by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: please note that there was a previous DYK about Made in Canada, but it was about the television series (Made in Canada (TV series), not the product labelling certification mark. See also Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Previous DYK article to be moved Mindmatrix 22:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: there is a request to move this article to a different name. Results of the DYK review should be suspended until that discussion resolves. Mindmatrix 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Comment: I did some expansion of the article, so it might be a good idea to hold a full review for a bit. I think the only major missing content is how "Made in Canada" is received internationally. Everything else seems sourced and just needs a bit of layout and tidying. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year on Made in Canada goods? Source: The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be"
  • ALT3 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year using only goods Made in Canada? Source: The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be" - same as ALT2 but grammatical. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note: the requested move discussion has been closed. Mindmatrix 19:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
This is only a comment but I'm not sure if ALT2 or ALT3 can be passed; from what I remember there's an (unofficial) guideline on DYK that mentioning people who don't have articles in hooks is to be avoided unless necessary. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Allochronic speciation

  • ... that the timing of reproduction (such as breeding season in animals or the timing of flowering in plants) can cause the formation of a new species in a process known as allochronic speciation? Coyne & Orr (2004)
    • ALT1: ... that allochronic speciation has occurred in periodical cicada populations that only emerge every 221 years? Source: Taylor & Friesen (2017)
    • ALT2: ... that the timing of flowering or breeding seasons in organisms can cause the formation of new species in a process known as allochronic speciation? Coyne & Orr (2004)

Created by Andrew Z. Colvin (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg I think the one about cicadas and 221-year cycles is much more interesting, but either could be fine. jp×g 05:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent! Looks good to me. jp×g 18:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Allochronic speciation. The ALT1 is incorrectly phrased and the ALT0 reads like a textbook entry. Please suggest a different hook. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
We didn't have a page on allochronic speciation?
CMD (talk) 07:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
The April one would be pretty funny.
Hmm so I just wanted to say that while all the new hooks sound good, I would personally vote for the April Fool's version. That one is so witty! --LordPeterII (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Honestly, I’d have to agree. All the DYKs I submit are speciation-based, so why not have one happen for a unique day? Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 10:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20[]

2021 Moroccan general election

5x expanded by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 07:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @JPxG: New enough and long enough expansion. QPQ present. No textual issues. However, given that I approved a similar hook for 2021 Chadian presidential election, can we find another? (Potentially in characterizations of the reversal of democratic reforms due to COVID) Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Adding an ALT1. jp×g 19:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @JPxG: Looks good, though I'd suggest one very minor wording tweak (to remove redundant 2021 if you're okay with it and link to the Morocco-specific pandemic article: Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 23:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
ALT1a:... that, despite rumors of potential delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the 2021 Moroccan general election has been confirmed to be taking place in September?
That looks great to me. jp×g 00:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie: On second thought, since the hook for 2021 Chadian presidential election has been changed, would it be possible to use the main hook for this one? I am still fine with ALT1a if not. jp×g 06:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@JPxG: That'd also be permissible too. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 08:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21[]

Duo Yun Xuan

Duo Yun Xuan located in Nanjing East Road in Shanghai
Duo Yun Xuan located in Nanjing East Road in Shanghai

Created by Jujiang (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg This article was created on November 10. To qualify as a new article per DYK rules, it should have been nominated within 7 days of creation. As it is the nomination was made over 6 weeks later, so we can't accept it at this time. If the article is brought to GA status, it could be nominated again—within 7 days of receiving the GA. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg You are right; I misread the history. Here is a full review:
  • New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all sources are foreign-language, unable to check for close paraphrasing. However, I am unsure of the grammar in several places. I added the first sentence calling it an art institution, but maybe a better description would be an art auction house? This would replace auction company elsewhere in the article. Footnote 1 is a dead link. Under "Contribution and influence", what does established on the basis of mean? Was it modeled after Duo Yun Xuan? Please add an inline cite to each of these sentences:
  • In 1993, Duo Yun Xuan held its first art auction, which was also the first art auction in Mainland China.
  • In 2006, Duo Yun Xuan was recognized as the first batch of "Chinese Time-honored" enterprises by the Ministry of Commerce.
  • In 2006, the woodblock watermarking technique inherited by Duo Yun Xuan was listed as Shanghai Intangible Cultural Heritage.
  • What is a national demonstration base? Should this be in quotes?
  • The hook is okay; foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. It does seem a little wordy; why do we have to know it was "identified"? Why can't we just say:
  • ALT1a ... that Duo Yun Xuan is the first art company including auction functions established on the Chinese mainland? Source: The Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China
  • The image is freely licensed. It is pretty, but it doesn't do anything for the hook; it looks like the heart of the entertainment district or something.
  • No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 Done Thank you @Mandarax and Yoninah:The question has been changed to ALT1a. Duo Yun Xuan is really located in the famous entertainment center of Nanjing East Road in Shanghai. I made some improvements to the article. Thanks. Best. --Jujiang (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. But I have no idea what an art institution with auction function is. The article is still calling it the first batch; how is an auction house a batch? Perhaps you can find translation help at WikiProject China or WP:GOCE. BTW we refer to the alts as "hooks", not "questions". Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Jujiang: Sorry, but you're calling it an art company (whatever that is) in one place and an art institution with auction function in other places. It would be helpful to know what the Ministry of Commerce is calling it on its website. It seems like you are not completely familiar with English grammar, so it would be a good idea to get copyediting help at WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Jujiang: I don't think you understand what I'm asking for. Please show this to a native English speaker. Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Could you please make some minor changes to the article if there is no big problem and no trouble? Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I could, but I need a translation of the Chinese sources. I will try to look at this again when I have more time. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Is there a problem with DYK? Could you please make minor change for it? After all, this is not the selection of GA. This China's first auction company deserves to be known to more people. Thanks. --Jujiang (talk) 03:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the ping. I'll try to get to it today. Yoninah (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22[]

The Social Network

Improved to Good Article status by Horacio Vara (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Excellent article, no need for QPQ (only three previous DYKs), Earwig is ok (the top hit is a wiki mirror, the others pick up quotes only). Sensible fair use for lead picture. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I eliminated the unnecessary redundancy in the remaining hook: "received eight Academy Award nominations at the 83rd Academy Awards". MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Why were all the hooks struck? What's left is the most unhooky of them all. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

The Myth of the Zodiac Killer

Police sketch of a person purported to be the Zodiac Killer
Police sketch of a person purported to be the Zodiac Killer
  • Reviewed: Forthcoming

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 06:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (created 12/22), long enough, and cited appropriately. Earwig detected no concerns. The hook is short enough, interesting, and accurately sourced. Photo license states it is PD. QPQ remains to be done. Cbl62 (talk) 18:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Cbl62, the hook wording is too repetitive, and we try not to print names with no Wikipedia article on the main page. I suggest something like:
  • ALT1: ... that the author of a 2014 non-fiction book contends that the Zodiac Killer (police sketch shown) never really existed? Yoninah (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg alt1 looks good. Its succinct, hooky, short enough, and sourced. Looks like the QPQ is still needed. Cbl62 (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Alice in Borderland (TV series)

Created by Horacio Vara (talk). Self-nominated at 00:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg ALT3 is the most interesting. ALT1 isn’t as unusual as it seems. But where are the sources for the hooks here? The article itself does not appear to have sourcing issues and obviously surpasses the character count requirement. Nothing looks to be a copyright violation or out of neutrality.
As this is your third DYK nomination, you don’t need to do quid pro quo. Trillfendi (talk) 20:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@Trillfendi: Added sources. Horacio Varawanna talk? 02:23, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A new reviewer is needed because the original one appears to have abandoned the review. SL93 (talk) 04:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I've left them a talk page message as they still appear to be editing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I thought I already responded to this several days ago but I guess it got lost in session data limbo. The Symbol confirmed.svg is ready as far as I’m concerned. Trillfendi (talk) 14:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT3, but the article is not calling the studio a green screen set—it is a studio in which they used green-screen sets. Also, the Premise section is lifted entirely from the Netflix website and needs to be rewritten in your own words. Yoninah (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Restoring thread. Please do not write over hooks as it makes it impossible to follow the conversation. Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'm not sure what to do now. the reviewer said he preferred ALT3, but the nominator has changed it to something else. Trillfendi, are any of these hooks interesting/verified, or should we ask for something else? Yoninah (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The premise section is still a copyright violation as well. SL93 (talk) 01:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I removed the blatant copyright violation. I'm not sure why it was still there. SL93 (talk) 02:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23[]

Svetlana Lloyd

  • ... that Svetlana Lloyd accidentally became a model for Christian Dior, after wandering into his Paris boutique looking for a receptionist job? Source: "Lloyd found herself one of Dior's 15 house mannequins after walking the streets of Paris looking for work as a shop assistant. The former ballerina was instead whisked upstairs, popped into a dress and presented to the man himself. She started the next day." (and [41], and “I’d gone to look for a job as a receptionist, because I spoke French, but before I knew it, someone whisked me upstairs and had me putting on clothes. I was given a chit to have my hair done, and told how to do my makeup—you had to do it yourself in those days—and report back for work the next day.” [42]
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new, long enough and meutral. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports no significant text similarities. The hook (I prefer the origian one) is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is withiin limit and its fact is cited inline. QPQ is not provided. Approval will follow addressing the issue. CeeGee 10:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Pueblo pottery

Mimbres fish pot, c. 1000–1150 AD
Mimbres fish pot, c. 1000–1150 AD
  • ... that Pueblo pottery (example pictured) has been created by Pueblo people and their antecedents in the Southwestern United States and Northern Mexico for almost two thousand years? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: User's second article for DYK - the first is on the Main page right now - I'm just the nominator. The source is a book.

Created by Netherzone (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. The hook is directly cited and the image is free use. The information about the list of pueblos, underneath the Current Era section, needs to be referenced. A QPQ is needed. Gerda Arendt SL93 (talk) 20:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you for the review. I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Cécile Nobrega. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
This article is interesting enough. I would like to see the banner at Pueblo_pottery#Contemporary_period removed during the time that it is featured on the main page.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Epiphyllumlover, thank you for your suggestion, the banner has been removed, and am now satisfied with the section. Thank you Gerda Arendt for the nomination. Netherzone (talk) 16:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24[]

Azari or the Ancient Language of Azerbaijan

  • ... that Ahmad Kasravi in his book Azari or the Ancient Language of Azerbaijan, proved that the Azeri language has Iranian roots? Source: KASRAVI, AḤMAD i. LIFE AND WORK He shows that the word āẕari found in most books of medieval history, especially those from the first centuries of Islam, is the name of the old language of Azerbaijan that was related to the Iranian languages and was a descendant of the language of the Medes with no relationship to Turkish

5x expanded by Amir Ghandi (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

  • The article was created on Dec 24th not January 1st, but it was nominated here within ~7-8 days. Probably ok (ping User:BlueMoonset)? QPQ not found but not required. Size, refs, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, GTG, but I am not happy with the hook that states the book has "proven" something, that's a rather strong claim and I am not convinced the article is comprehensive enough to warrant such a claim (are there no dissenting views?). I, therefore, propose ALT1 below which is more neutral. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Mohamad Isa

Created by (talk). Self-nominated at 13:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Unclear
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg The article was new enough to mainspace when nominated, is easily long enough (>10k characters), and is otherwise eligible for DYK. The QPQ review looks good. It's difficult for me to assess the sourcing, since most of the citations are to offline books I don't have access to and/or written in Indonesian (a language I don't speak). If I AGF on the citations given, there is a citation for every paragraph and every substantive claim made in the article. The text doesn't seem excessively promotional or hagiographical. The Earwig tool shows no signs of plagiarism from online sources, and I'm not seeing any problems in the English-language online sources I can access. I have to AGF on the citation for the hook, as well, but there is a citation. I'm afraid I can't quite understand what the proposed hook is trying to say: that the price of his dental services was... variable? What does that have to do with him being the only dentist in town, or his services being popular? Can this be worded some other way? There's a bigger problem, however: the article as it now stands seems to be unfinished. In trying to establish the subsject's notability, the lead section asserts that he was "the first governor of South Sumatra", yet the body never gets to that point in his life to make such a claim (and, indeed, that claim is contradicted by the List of governors of South Sumatra, which puts Adnan Kapau Gani first). The lead also claims that the subject was "the first rector of the Sriwijaya University", but nothing about this appears anywhere in the body. The article needs to be completed before it can be reviewed. Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Torristas and Molinistas

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 26[]

Epsom College in Malaysia

Fernandes in 2011
Fernandes in 2011

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The overall article is new enough and long enough. Regarding neutrality, the first paragraph of Origins feels unencyclopaedic in tone. The Scholarships sentence on a pupil being offered scholarships also feels out of place. On citations, I am wary of, and would prefer to hook from another source. On hooks, ALT0 is currently lacking, but I can see it working with a bit of expansion. ALT1 is hooky if you know who the two individuals are, but would not be otherwise. The sources seem to abbreviate it to ECiM not ECM. CMD (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis: “Regarding neutrality, the first paragraph of Origins feels unencyclopaedic in tone.” It has two sentences. The first of those is strictly factual and seems to me to give the critical fact in the section. The second is about the motivation of Fernandes, based on the source. If there is anything there you find not neutrally written, do please say exactly what it is, and I’ll see how I can improve it. “The Scholarships sentence on a pupil being offered scholarships also feels out of place.” It is an achievement of the school as well as the pupil. Where would you prefer to put that? “On citations, I am wary of” Expatgo is a publisher in Kuala Lumpur which has been publishing Expat magazine there since 1996, now employing about twenty journalists and editors. Do please say what your objection to it is. “On hooks, ALT0 is currently lacking, but I can see it working with a bit of expansion.” What is it lacking, please, and what would you want to add to it? “ALT1 is hooky if you know who the two individuals are, but would not be otherwise.” Most DYK hooks are about people and topics the world has never heard of, and there is no DYK rule that hooks can only mention famous people. But have you really not heard of Boris Johnson? “The sources seem to abbreviate it to ECiM not ECM”. The school, yes, but not the ECM Libra Foundation, which is not the same thing, see Moonraker (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Strictly factual text can be unencyclopaedic in tone, and what is not neutral is the tone of those sentences. They're very promotional, perhaps magazine-like. The scholarships information is also promotionally written, is it needed on the page? Have the expatgo journalists done journalism elsewhere? What is the reputation of the magazine, and/or its credentials? Both hooks are short and rely on name recognition. The source used says "ECiM Libra Foundation co-founder Dato’ Lim Kian Onn...". CMD (talk) 01:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis You say Strictly factual text can be unencyclopaedic in tone, and what is not neutral is the tone of those sentences. They're very promotional, perhaps magazine-like. You are entitled to your personal opinion, but in this context please say which element(s) you object to and what conflicts you see with a policy on tone and/or neutrality. The scholarships information is also promotionally written... Again, this is your personal opinion. I have not the slightest interest in promoting anything, the text is simply reflecting the contents of the best source available. it needed on the page? Yes, some information on scholarships is clearly needed for a fee-paying school which can accept non-fee-paying students. Leaving that out would seriously affect the neutrality of the page. Have the expatgo journalists done journalism elsewhere? I have not the slightest idea. What is the reputation of the magazine, and/or its credentials? I can find nothing which casts any doubt on its good reputation. If you want to discredit it, that is surely up to you. Both hooks are short... They are a good length. There is a DYK limit on the length of hooks, but not on shortness. ...and rely on name recognition. I do not agree at all, and even if they did there would be no rule against that. The source used says "ECiM Libra Foundation co-founder Dato’ Lim Kian Onn...". So it does. Clearly both are used, life is like that, not neat and tidy. I have edited “ECM” to “ECiM”. Moonraker (talk) 03:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
As a sample element, "the brainchild of Tony Fernandes" is a positive spin lifted directly from the source used. The next sentence is similar, and I can't see what information it really adds to the first sentence. On scholarships, it is a common practice for fee-taking international schools in Southeast Asia to provide scholarships to local students, and so one instance feels unremarkable. CMD (talk) 10:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis As a sample element, "the brainchild of Tony Fernandes" is a positive spin lifted directly from the source used. You can’t have it both ways, either it is “lifted directly” or else it is “positive spin”. It is indeed lifted directly and is offered as the main hook, which you haven’t objected to, except to claim without any policy support that it isn’t long enough. The next sentence is similar, and I can't see what information it really adds to the first sentence. Not the least bit similar, but to humour you I have taken it out. On scholarships, it is a common practice for fee-taking international schools in Southeast Asia to provide scholarships to local students... It is indeed, but not universal, and the information is needed. ... and so one instance feels unremarkable. There is no policy which insists on everything in an article being remarkable. It has not struck you that 100 per cent scholarships are very unusual, but no matter. I have to say, I am not finding you constructive. If you are feeling so negative, why don’t you start an AfD to try to get the page deleted? Moonraker (talk) 02:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand that both ways comparison, if you're suggesting magazines cannot spin things positively I will have to disagree. The relevant hook policy is 2.1, interesting to a broad audience. A hook lifted directly from a source also seems an issue for Article 3.3 though, on close paraphrasing. As for deletion, I don't see where the notability of the page has been called into question. Is there an issue there? CMD (talk) 03:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Vadakkekara Grama Panchayat

Created by Path slopu (talk). Self-nominated at 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: you need to significantly shorten the hook, as it is 268 characters; hooks should generally be less than 200 characters. Mindmatrix 18:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mindmatrix: Hi greetings, thank you for the advice. I added two alternatives of smaller size. Regards.--PATH SLOPU 07:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: As a foreigner I am a bit confused as Gram panchayat seems to be people governing the place but this article seems to be mostly about the place not the people running it Chidgk1 (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 28[]

Looking for Magical Doremi

  • ... that the film poster for Looking for Magical Doremi appeared in an episode of Healin' Good Pretty Cure to promote the film? Source: Oricon (link): "第16話に登場したポスターには、おジャ魔女メンバーのどれみ、はづき、あいこ、おんぷ、ももこと、『魔女見習いをさがして』のソラ、ミレ、レイカの計8人が描かれていた。[The poster in episode 16 contains the 8 characters that consist of Ojamajo members Doremi, Hazuki, Aiko, Onpu, and Momoko, as well as Sora, Mire, and Reika from Looking for Magical Doremi]."
    • ALT1:... that the film Looking for Magical Doremi depicts real-life locations of where Ojamajo Doremi is based? Source: Anime News Network (link): "They go on trips together across Japan, doubling down on some serious anime tourism by visiting a ton of different places seen in the various seasons of Magical DoReMi."
    • ALT2:... the dandelions seen in Looking for Magical Doremi was a reference to the production staff's previous work, Yume no Crayon Oukoku? Source: Natalie (link): "観客からのQ&Aコーナーでは、「どれみ」と「魔女見習い」に共通する「タンポポの綿毛」というモチーフについて質問が。すると佐藤監督は「これは『夢のクレヨン王国』までさかのぼる話なんですが、『クレヨン王国』は綿毛がふわっと飛んでいく場面で終わるんです。[In the Q & A corner from the audience, there was a question about the "dandelion fluff" commonly seen in [Ojamajo] Doremi and Looking for Magical Doremi, to which director [Junichi] Sato said, "This goes all the way back to Yume no Crayon Oukoku, where Yume no Crayon Oukoku ended with a scene were a fluff flutters and flies [to the sky]."]."

5x expanded by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 07:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC).

  • I have decided not to review this nomination formally, but I have a couple of comments. 1. Can a flesh-and-blood actor "star" in an anime? 2. I think ALT1 is the most interesting, but it doesn't look grammatically correct to me ("Locations where the anime is based on"). --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29[]

See You in the Cosmos

Created/expanded by Gerald Waldo Luis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment: QPQ has exemption of less than 5 credits. GeraldWL 09:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 preferred. Main hook has some problems with political correctness, probably? Regards, (marhata) 09:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

, thanks for the review! GeraldWL 10:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gerald Waldo Luis: There's a purpose. Regards, (marhata) 10:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep. An entire section about characterization is unsourced. It is also unclear what the word puzzled means in the lead. Yoninah (talk) 10:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I think that the novel itself is a primary source for the characters of the novel. As for the lead, I've tweaked it. GeraldWL 10:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Then you have too much unsourced text here, between the plot and the characterization. Yoninah (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I suppose you mean WP:UNDUE. I've removed repetitive points in Characters and removed vague details in Plot, see if it's now good. GeraldWL 11:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg@: no, I didn't mean WP:UNDUE, but Rule D2. But it looks much better now, and I'm happy to restore the tick. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I nearly died when it's re-discussed; happy to restore it back in minutes. GeraldWL 11:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep. I asked another editor for help with the hook and he pointed out that the article does not describe the book as a children's book, but as young adult fiction. Considering the grammatical problems in the hook, please suggest a different hook angle. I also notice that one paragraph under Background is not cited, per Rule D2. If the cite is from the book, please provide the page number. Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, ah, I see! I've changed the infobox genre to children's, the category of YA is merely because some source opined it as such. Feel free to reinstate your version of the ALT1 if that's grammatically correct, as I said in my talk page. I've also cited the page in Background. GeraldWL 12:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • If an ALT is needed, I could propose ALT2: ... that See You in the Cosmos, published as a children's book, has adult themes throughout? GeraldWL 12:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that novel See You in the Cosmos, which contains adult content, was published as for children? GeraldWL 16:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30[]

Erin O'Toole

Erin O'Toole
Erin O'Toole
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: No preference between the first two hooks

Improved to Good Article status by Username6892 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Is he really "pro-abortion"? Or just against laws that excessively restrict abortion? (t · c) buidhe 07:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Buidhe, I think he's the latter so I added "pro-choice" as an ALT 2A. Username6892 12:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Acer cascadense

  • ... that the extinct maple Acer cascadense was described from a helicopter found in the 1950s? Source: "Collections were made by Eleanor Gordon Thompson in the 1950s (donated to University of California Museum of Paleontology, Berkeley – specimens with catalog numbers prefixed by UCMP)." (Manchester et al 2018)
    • ALT1:... that the extinct maple Acer cascadense is named for its type locality in the Oregon Cascades? Source: "Type locality is in the northern part of the Cascade Range of Oregon" (Wolfe & Tanai 1987 pg.102)

Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, a QPQ has been done. ALT1 is cited inline and uses an offline source so AGF, but it feels rather routine so it doesn't really seem very interesting; as such, I would suggest not going with it (I have nonetheless made some typographical errors). If we have to use a hook, it would be ALT0. However, there are currently a number of issues with it. Firstly, the source doesn't seem to mention that the fruit was found in the 1950s, the closest wording I could find was the aforementioned donation. Secondly, I understand that "helicopter" is an alternative name for the samara (I will leave it to another editor to decide on the appropriateness on using "helicopter" since it could be hooky and fitting for the quirky slot but nevertheless misleading since readers would likely think of the aircraft and not the fruit). However, the source only uses "samara" and does not use "helicopter" (or indeed any of the other nicknames). Once these have been clarified we should be good to go with some variant of ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Helicopter is a common alternative to the technical term samara, most people will not know what a samara is, and is makes a very bland hook at that point. The secondary source (Manchester) addresses the UCMP collections Moose mountain flora, which were collected by Thompson in the 1950 and then donated to the UCMP.
What makes alt1 banal to the lay public?--Kevmin § 01:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I know admittedly little about botany, but I'm pretty sure that a species being named after where it was found (or its discoverer) is so commonplace it's not even quirky. If there was a story behind said naming (like for example, if the type was named after a place or person because of a particular interesting reason), then that would have been an interesting fact. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
You are missing that many lay people like finding out where and what things are named for. I have not seen any issues with similar hooks that I've proposed before. I feel it will be interesting to a broad audience. You have to remember you do not have an unbiased view of hooks, since you work with them daily rather then the one time the vast majority of the millions of viewers who look at the mainpage daily. --Kevmin § 17:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Lay person and biologist chiming in: Alt1 is a neat fact, but not really 'hooky': it doesn't seem likely to draw readers if posted on the main page, which is the primary purpose of the hook. An etymology-based hook would be more suited to a more unusual namesake, like Gagadon or Aptostichus stephencolberti. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31[]

Agitu Ideo Gudeta

  • ... that Ethiopian–Italian refugee environmentalist Agitu Ideo Gudeta was nicknamed "the Queen of Happy Goats"? Source: "She became a national symbol for environmentalism and integration after Radical Party politician Emma Bonino singled her out as an example of successful integration and courageous female entrepreneurship." (The Telegraph); "La 'regina delle capre felici' è stata uccisa [The 'queen of happy goats' was killed]" ([44])

Created by TJMSmith (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 22:57, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article was new enough and long enough. Both hooks are interesting and cited inline: the Telegraph source was paywalled, but I managed to get around it with the stop loading trick, but it only mentions her goat farm but not her nickname. However, the Italian source mentions it; AGF on the translation, although Google Translate seems to check out. No real preference for which hook is to be used. A QPQ has been performed. Although the article has appeared on ITN, it was on Recent Deaths and so it is still eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg per DYK talk, this article has become unstable —valereee (talk) 20:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosemary Margaret Smith

Created by Thriley (talk) and Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 22:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - The hook is rather unremarkable: nearly every taxonomist who describes a genus uses physical characteristics (at least before the genetic revolution), and the number of species within is irrelevant. Terms like "successfully " and "entire genus" read as promotional.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg New enough and long enough at just over 2,000 prose characters. A more interesting hook is needed. However my overall impression from this article is that it relies too heavily on primary sources and brief mentions, which, along with the tone, gives the subtle appearance of overselling notability and misrepresenting the significance of what may be rather routine accomplishments, i.e. telling a collective story that has not yet been told outside of Wikipedia (a form of novel synthesis that runs afoul of WP:PSTS). The statement "first person to describe the Malay Rose", albeit sourced, is at odds with the fact the species now known as Etlingera maingayi was described by Baker in 1892 and simply placed into Etlingera by Smith. What is missing are secondary sources that discuss Smith in better depth, to more firmly establish notability and assess how much due weight to give any accomplishments. This article lists things Smith did, which is not necessarily what she is known for; an obituary or other biographical source would be useful for the latter. Her IPNI listing mentions a 2005 article in Guild News, Edinburgh, which might provide better context and balance. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Animalparty: "However my overall impression from this article is that it relies too heavily on primary sources and brief mentions"
I don't understand this statement at all. There is only a single primary source from Smith in the article and then a few database record sources. But all the rest of the references are secondary sources discussing Smith's research. And several go into extreme depth or are almost entirely about Smith's research and classification efforts. Including [45], [46], [47], and [48]. Her efforts have informed the entire field of research into the ginger family. SilverserenC 00:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I should have said primary literature (i.e. scientific papers) and brief mentions, being that most of the discussions and references of Smith in primary literature seem to be routine science, and there is little way from the current sources to assess the significance of previous work (to address the "so what?"). Taxonomists cite the relevant work of any previous researcher, from Charles Darwin to lowly grad students with 1 paper to their name. From Julius et al. 2008 we learn Smith divided Plagiostachys into two informal groups' from Nagamasu & Sakai (1996), that she divided Amomum into 5 groups. From Poulsen & Searle 2005: Smith reviewed 4 species of Scaphochlamys from Borneo. Syazana et al. 2017 briefly mention Smith's work on Zingiberaceae of Mulu National Park. Yes, and? Was she a genius? a quack? Are her classifications still relevant? Smith's previous work is verifiable, but from the primary literature references it's tough to glean meaningful context. Aside from delving into intricacies of Smith's classifications (which is of interest chiefly only to ginger taxonomists) Kress et al. 2005 seems to give the most 'in depth' summary of Smith's work with Alpinia, namely that her "elegant and intricate classification of Alpinia was an attempt to provide a modern interpretation of the complex array of species placed in this genus. Her two subgenera, 11 sections, and 12 subsections encompassed the 221 species known at that time." That's a sliver of historic context, but more is needed. Kress et al. also note that their results are incongruent with Smith's classification, but meticulous dissection of scientific papers like this is beyond the scope and purview of Wikipedia, which is why sources that explicitly state (rather than infer) the significance of Smith's work are needed. Encyclopedia articles shouldn't be checklists of accomplishments (verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion), but discussions of the significance of achievements with appropriate weight. A reliable source that clearly states "Smith made important contributions to X, especially Y and Z..." would vastly clarify what is worth including in her encyclopedia article, and why. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I very much don't agree with you on that, but i'll keep looking. It's strange though. I would have originally said that her work was extensive, but in such a specific area and time period where it was unlikely to get actual news coverage. But it feels like it's more than that. Her scientific partner for many publications, Brian Laurence Burtt, had a lengthy obituary published in the Edinburgh journal for where they both worked when he died in 2009. They even have an extensive article congratulating him on his 90th birthday in an earlier edition. But there's nothing for Rosemary. No obituary or anything, despite said journal publishing a ton of papers written by her. It honestly just feels like...a brick wall of really blatant sexism. SilverserenC 05:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I found that there was also a genus named after her. At least her fellow scientists in the field cared about her contributions.
"This new genus is named for Ms. Rosemary M. Smith formerly of the Royal Botanic Garden at Edinburgh in recognition of her great contributions to our knowledge of the taxonomy of the Zingiberaceae"
- Smithatris, a New Genus of Zingiberaceae from Southeast Asia SilverserenC 06:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Touchdown, U.S.A.

Mr. Touchdown pictured in 1951
Mr. Touchdown pictured in 1951

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. However, none of the articles are clipped; if you could clip those, I could check them too. QPQ done.
  • I find the hook repetitively worded and therefore not so interesting. Can you suggest another hook angle? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah - sorry sorry sorry for this great delay in response. I've locked myself out of my account and am trying to recover the password but I may need to file a request at the library. In the interim, I've given an updated hook, above. Chetsford (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Morning Star (1862 ship)

  • Reviewed: No QPQ needed

Created by Scorpions13256 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • More of a comment but perhaps another hook can be proposed here? I just read the article and I thought the fact that the death toll was unknown because many of the passengers weren't in the manifest than the survivors being rescued by its sister ship (which I assume is not an uncommon occurrence in sailing). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 1[]

George Forrester Williams

  • ... that after working as a military adviser in Guatemala and Peru, George Forrester Williams was named managing editor of the New York Times in 1870?

Created/expanded by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg This article does not qualify for DYK at this time as it is less than 1500 characters in length. The list of books is not included in the count. If you are able to expand it, a different hook suggestion is needed, with an emphasis on hook interest, not just a resume-style statement. Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Laudakia nupta

Laudakia nupta sitting on a rock.
Laudakia nupta sitting on a rock.
  • ... that Laudakia nupta (pictured) has been renamed over eight different times? [49]
    • ALT1:... that the name of Laudakia nupta (pictured) comes from the Latin word for a bride who veils herself? [50]: "Named after the past participle of the Latin verb nūbo, meaning to cover, veil, but as transferred meaning: to wed marry; hence nupta means ‛one who hides herself (perhaps within rock slits)’, but more correctly ‛a bride-woman (who veils herself for bridegroom)’ (Lewis, 1969), hence denotes the beauty and a crown-like crest in the head region of the species, representing a bride crown"
  • Comment: There weren't many fun facts that stood out to me, so if the person reviewing this has any ideas for ways to improve these hooks I'm all ears. Also this is my 5th DYK nom (3rd DYK self-nom).

Created by Starsandwhales (talk). Self-nominated at 19:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Starting review--Kevmin § 22:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg article new enough and long enough. Alt1 hook cited, source taken AGF. I dont see the ALT0 hook actually in the article prose (eg 8 taxon names) if we like that one we should add the number 8 and list the synonyms the taxobox. I did a quick google scholar search and found this article on parasites which is a good addition, and could make for an interesting hook. --Kevmin § 23:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The 8 taxon thing is in the source, from the reptile database. I'm not sure where to add the parasite info (in description or in another section?), and the paper is about L. nupta nupta and not L. nupta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starsandwhales (talkcontribs) 21:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Starsandwhales: The article needs to ALSO mention specifically 8 names in the prose for the hook to be considered. So mentioning in the taxonomy that 8 name combinations have been used for the species. Also looking at the Reptile database page, only 6 unique name combinations seem to be present.
  • The parasites would be mentioned in a separate section for parasites, and given that L. nupta nupta is a subspecies of L. nupta, it should be covered in the species article preferentially, sinvce WP:TOL and WP:Reptile guidelines are to only make subspecies articles if the species article is getting too large.--Kevmin § 19:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 2[]

Bully Hill Vineyards 150

Created by ZappaOMatic (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article and hook are fine, but the nomination unfortunately came too late. The article was created on 2 January and the nomination on 14 January, which is beyond the allowed period of seven days. I'm sorry, but despite the good work it's not eligible for DYK. Ffranc (talk) 12:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Ffranc: Please see supplimentary rule D9? The "seven days old" limit should be strictly enforced only if there is a large backlog of hooks. Otherwise nominated article may still be approved if it were created or expanded after the oldest date listed in Template talk:Did you know#Older nominations. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I'll leave the decision to the person who closes the nomination then. I've looked at the article and everything in it looks good. The hook is short, interesting, supported by the article, cited etc. The only problem is that the nomination should have come a week earlier. If that's OK, then it should be promoted. Otherwise it should be rejected. Ffranc (talk) 10:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Zabân-e Pâk

Moved to mainspace by Amir Ghandi (talk). Self-nominated at 09:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hi Amir Ghandi, this is quite an interesting article. As a first note, it's important to be careful with wording such as "correct". While it may be the opinion of some that a language needs fixing, that is not something that should be said in wiki-voice. "Reform" may be a good substitute word. On references, much of the article seems to be sourced to a single source, which is written by the author in question (is it this particular source?). It would be preferable to have more secondary sources added to the article. I am AGFing on the current offline/non-English sources. For the Kasravi references, the full reference should be written out as well, usually this is included as a bullet point underneath the short references. Best, CMD (talk) 10:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Hey CMD, I think you're right "Reform" is a better word than "correct" for this case. However, Kasravi wrote this treatise in the correct Persian language. As for the sources, only "Sections of the treatise" uses one source, which is Kasravi's Zabân-e Pâk. Elsewhere, Kasravi's biography entitled "My Life" (1947) is used as a source, but the rest of the article uses multiple sources (mostly academic articles).Amir Ghandi (talk) 12:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I am not questioning the existing sources, merely noting that if possible more would be useful. Please do spell out the full citations for both Kasravi books in bullet points below the reflist, so they can be better assessed. Could you reword the hook above to more neutrally describe the changes? CMD (talk) 13:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • "In 1916 I wanted to go to the American School (Memorial School). Because the knowledge I was pursuing, I felt the need to consider myself one of the European languages. I first studied French and learned some things by asking some acquaintances in French. But I knew from experiment that language could not be learned without a teacher. I talked to people and they said English is easier but you have to read it from the teacher. On the other hand, since I was selected as an Arabic teacher there, it was better for me to learn more Arabic from what I already knew. Thus, I spent that year learning only English and Arabic. This is how I tried to learn the language. Since then, as I spent several hours a day with English-speaking Americans and English-speaking students, I tried my best to improve by speaking or reading books at every opportunity." ahmad kasravi, My Life, p. 6-7 and 50.Amir Ghandi (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Could you include that as a "quote=" within the "Cite book" template, as you have with some other sources in the article? And also provide a cite book template for the actual book itself? CMD (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Chipmunkdavis: Done Amir Ghandi (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I have made some tweaks. There are a couple of unsourced sentences. "He strongly criticized this and called for the facilitation of the Persian language so that novices could easily learn it.", "He chooses the various ways in which we can make up for the lack of clauses that we have, to take the same Latin clauses and create new words with a symbol." Can you point to which references they are from? CMD (talk) 03:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Leon Rains

  • ... that Leon Rains, a bass singer who studied in New York City and Paris, took part in the world premiere of Salome and an early recording of Tannhäuser? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

  • If it's alright with you, may I suggest a possible alternate hook?
ALT1... that later in his life, operatic bass singer Leon Rains also worked as an art furniture carpenter?
ALT1a... that later in his life, operatic bass singer Leon Rains also worked as a carpenter?
Looking at the article, I noticed that hook fact and thought it was interesting and unusual that a singer, let alone an opera one, also worked as a carpenter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I hear you, but while the world premiere of Salome (opera) gives him a place in time, internationality, and importance (even if that was a minor role), the hobby during retirement says nothing about why he is notable, and what kind of music he made. An "operatic bass singer" could be someone singing in a small home town theatre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Hooks do not always need to be about a person's claim to fame or their most notable achievement, they could also be about something interesting or unusual about their lives. For example, Winston Churchill is best known for being a British prime minister, but when he was featured on DYK, the hook instead highlighted his interest in bricklaying, which is something that most people do not know about him (including myself before seeing the nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I hear you, and of course you are free to say whatever you like about someone like Churchill, or Beethoven, who are known already. I'd appreciate if you did "your" hooks as you like them, and I do mine as I like them, and our reader get a mix. I don't like focus on my subjects' retirement occuations, but on what fascinates me about them. - Today, I need to nominate 2 bios (last day and overdue one day), should look for refs for yesterday's, am overdue in qpqs (estimated 10), really want to work on a FAC-to-be: this perennial discussion about different taste - a very personal matter - is just a distraction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Anyway, I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/1955 British Kangchenjunga expedition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Antoinette Dinga Dzondo

Dinga Dzondo in 2017
Dinga Dzondo in 2017
  • ... that Antoinette Dinga Dzondo (pictured), the Republic of the Congo's Minister of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Action, setup a fund to help refugees in the country to return home? Source: [51] " La Banque mondiale, via l'Association internationale de développement (IDA), a versé 12,7 milliards de francs CFA (21,3 millions de dollars) à un projet gouvernemental en faveur des réfugiés et leurs hôtes congolais pauvres, a annoncé jeudi à Brazzaville la ministre des Affaires sociales, Antoinette Dinga Dzondo." ("The World Bank, through the International Development Association (IDA), has provided 12.7 billion CFA francs ($ 21.3 million) to a government project for refugees and their poor Congolese hosts, the Minister of Social Affairs, Antoinette Dinga Dzondo announced Thursday in Brazzaville.")
    • ALT1:... that Antoinette Dinga Dzondo (pictured), the Republic of the Congo's Minister of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Action, previously worked at the African Development Bank for 24 years? Source: [52] "Elle a fait toute sa carrière professionnelle à la Banque africaine de développement (BAD) de Janvier 1992 à Mai 2016 soit 24 ans." ("She spent her entire professional career at the African Development Bank (AfDB) from January 1992 to May 2016, i.e. 24 years.")

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Douglass Cater

Created by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Eva Haifa Giraud

  • ... that by paying attention to mundane decision-making among activists, the critical theorist Eva Haifa Giraud troubles the notion of staying with the trouble? Source: "Her thick descriptions of the protest ecologies in which both these sites are embedded and of the mundane decision-making and organisational labour required to create and operate them is also used to trouble the notion of—as Hara-way famously puts it—“staying with the trouble”." -- Joan Haran)
  • Comment: This is a complicated topic, but I thought the hook fairly catchy.

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Nanohana (manga)

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I like the approach of the first three hooks, but inline cites are needed in the article to support ALT1 and ALT2. I added an inline cite for ALT0. I struck ALT3 as getting a little far afield. Images are fair use and freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


  • Reviewed: This is my third nomination, so a QPQ is not required.
  • Comment: The source is behind a paywall, so either the reviewer has to either be subscribed to the Billboard website or read it through an archive url through the Wayback Machine.

Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk) and Dhtwiki (talk). Nominated by Lazman321 (talk) at 00:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg GA received one day before nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • The hook though, doesn't make sense ("ninth longest time"?) and is possibly the least interesting aspect of the article. Please suggest something a little more descriptive of the subject that would make readers want to click on the hook and read more. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that Enigma has been accused of putting satanic content in MCMXC a.D. "The most unexpected result of the campaign was questions over possible satanist content in the music. The album deals explicitly with the themes of good being balanced by evil, but, for most in the press, there was no thought of satanic implications until Charisma issued a press release denying it." Source: [55]
  • @Lazman321: yes, it is better, thanks. But the sources are crediting the accusation to Michael Cretu. Would you like to write:
  • ALT2a: ... that Michael Cretu of Enigma has been accused of putting satanic content into the band's debut album MCMXC a.D.? Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 3[]

Bob Wells (vandweller)

  • ... that Bob Wells has been called the "high priest" of vandwelling? Source: "Mr. Wells is, in many ways, the self-styled “high priest” of living in a van." [56]
    • ALT1:... that when Bob Wells first started living in a van, he regularly cried himself to sleep? Source: "At first, he couldn’t believe that he had fallen so low, and 'crying [him]self to sleep was a routine event.'" New York Post [57]
    • ALT2:... that Bob Wells created a Burning Man for retirees? Source: "Often called a Burning Man for retirees, the RTR is starting to skew younger, at least by anecdotal measures." The New York Times [58]

Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Mat and Savanna Shaw

  • ... that Mat and Savanna Shaw's cover of "The Prayer" went viral at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, after which they released their debut album that was ranked 54th on the Billboard 200?
    1. Johnson, Lottie Elizabeth (2020-05-15). "The story behind Utah's viral daddy-daughter singing duo". Deseret News. Archived from the original on 2021-01-03. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

      The article notes: "So they forged ahead and recorded and posted their own rendition of “The Prayer.” Within a few days, after later posting the video to Facebook, Mat Shaw sent a screenshot to his daughter. He had circled the number of views: 2,700. ... The numbers kept rising. And rising. And rising. The video has surpassed 6 million views."

    2. Zellner, Xander (2020-11-05). "The father-daughter duo's 'Picture This' opens atop Classical Albums". Billboard. Archived from the original on 2021-01-03. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

      The article notes: "Utah-based father-and-daughter duo Mat & Savanna Shaw make their Billboard chart debut, arriving at No. 1 on the Emerging Artists chart (dated Nov. 7), thanks to the pair's debut studio album Picture This. The LP launches at No. 1 on the Classical Albums chart and No. 54 on the all-genre Billboard 200 with 12,000 equivalent album units, according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. It includes the act's version of Andrea Bocelli and Celine Dion's "The Prayer," which has drawn over 7.8 million YouTube views since it posted in March."

Created by (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 4[]

James Snyder (art historian)

  • ... that despite James Snyder having taught at a women's college for over 20 years, his Northern Renaissance Art of 1985 was criticized for using gender stereotypes? Source:Wolfthal, Diane. Woman's Art Journal 15, no. 1 (1994): 49-50. Accessed January 4, 2021. doi:10.2307/1358499, JSTOR "...Snyder resorts to gender sterotypes ..." p. 50

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

Mahanoy Area School District v. B.L.

Created by Elliot321 (talk), Masem (talk), and Wasted Time R (talk). Nominated by Wasted Time R (talk) at 23:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC).

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern

Degenhardt in 1987
Degenhardt in 1987

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC).

Winston Churchill as painter

painting the Sorgue while wearing a Stetson in 1948
painting the Sorgue while wearing a Stetson in 1948

5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk) and No Great Shaker (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 21:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC).

I am interested and willing to review when I have time. Two things: we need to show somehow that the article is not about Churchill but "as a painter", and the piped link doesn't. The caption needs the work italic, and is it worth knowing what he wears? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

2021 Pakistan Super League players draft

Created by CreativeNorth (talk). Self-nominated at 15:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg According to DYKcheck, this article is only 1165 characters long (excluding the names in the tables). DYK requires articles to be at least 1500 characters long (excluding text in tables). Another issue, it's unclear what the classes (platinum, diamond, gold, silver, emerging, supplementary) mean- I assume it's related to money, but needs to be explained in the article else this article isn't understandable to a casual reader. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: Thanks for the reply. I’ll try and take a look at the article tomorrow taking into account your feedback. As for explaining the categories, in what section of the article would you put this? I’m asking as I want to know whether I can use the explanation to try and stretch the article out to 1500 characters. Thanks once again for the reply and I’ll try and apply your feedback tomorrow. CreativeNorth (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 5[]

UNOH 188, Sunoco 159

Xfinity Series cars race on the Daytona road course
Xfinity Series cars race on the Daytona road course

Created by ZappaOMatic (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 03:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Edited as I had missed the first time around that all three of the Daytona road-course events had new articles. Submitted per supplemental rule D9. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Siegfried Borris

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC).

Radio Quarantine

Created by Tayi Arajakate (talk). Self-nominated at 12:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Overdrawn at the Memory Bank

Improved to Good Article status by GamerPro64 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC).


  1. Scott, Jay (August 18, 1983). "PBS, Canadian firm co-produce film". The Globe and Mail. p. 19 – via ProQuest.

Articles created/expanded on January 6[]

Assumption of the Virgin Mary in art

Thomas catches the belt
Thomas catches the belt

Created/expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Johnbod: Date and length fine. However I think the hook needs to me more explicit in the article. QPQ done, please ping me once that's done and I can pass it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
@The C of E: - ok now? Johnbod (talk) 18:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
That seems OK however, @Johnbod: I have just noticed something that I missed last time. You nominated this on the 14th so I can only count expansion from the 7th and if I do that, this isn't a 5x expansion. Can you explain this? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
It's listed under 6 Jan, when the expansion began (at 20:10 pm to be precise). So you can (and should) stretch it by 3hrs 50 m to allow for a slightly late nomination. Johnbod (talk) 19:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
PS: See Wikipedia:Did you know/Not exactly. Johnbod (talk) 21:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Richard Sharp (BBC chairman)

  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Edwardx, review follows: article created 6 January and exceeds minimum length; sourcing is generally good but there is one citation needed and a bare URL to sort out; the lead will need to be expanded to resolve the orange tag; Earwig shows some similarity in wording from the sources that you may want to review but I think this is acceptable as it is mostly limited to names of institutions and so forth; a QPQ is needed. The fact that Victoria is his twin is not in the source used to support the sentence in the article (only states that they are siblings). The hook currently focuses on his sister, I think it would be good to provide one or two alternatives that are focussed on Richard - Dumelow (talk) 08:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[]

Bang Rak Subdistrict

Assumption Cathedral, Bangkok
Assumption Cathedral, Bangkok
  • ... that Bangkok's Bang Rak neighbourhood is home to Buddhist temples, mosques, a Chinese shrine, and the city's Catholic cathedral (pictured)? Source: "Bang Rak has been home to multicultural groups of people. They are those who have different beliefs, ranging from Buddhism to Taoism, Christianity and Islam..."[61] (each also mentioned separately in sources)
Nai Lert's emporium
Nai Lert's emporium
    • ALT1:... that the enterprising businessman Nai Lert's seven-storey emporium in Bang Rak (pictured) used to be the tallest building in Bangkok? Source: "Later, in 1927, the road saw the construction of the capital’s first high-rise building – a seven-storey building built by Nai Lert..."[62], and other Thai sources listed in the article

Created by Paul_012 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

Janie Taylor

  • ... that ballerina Janie Taylor danced her first lead role with the New York City Ballet when she was eighteen? Source: "Only 18 then, she also brought a distinctive perfume and abandon to the doomed young heroine of 'La Valse.'" ([63])
    • ALT1:... that ballerina Janie Taylor had also designed costumes for ballets? Source: "When a colleague approached New York City Ballet's Janie Taylor asking her to design costumes for a ballet he was choreographing, the principal dancer needed little convincing." ([64])

Converted from a redirect by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Usmani family of Deoband

  • Comment: Since this is my first try for DYK, please allow me to improve things in between. I would really appreciate your advises. Thanks. ─ The Aafī (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Created by TheAafi (talk). Self-nominated at 19:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC).


  1. Iqbal Hasan Khān, Shaykh al-Hind Mawlāna Mahmūd Hasan: Hayāt awr Ilmi Kārnāme, Aligarh Muslim University, p. 116
  2. Muhammad Tayyib, Qari. Bukhari, Akbar Shah (ed.). 50 Misaali Shaksiyaat [50 Exemplar personalities] (in Urdu) (July 1999 ed.). pp. 58–59.
  3. Muhammad Miyan Deobandi, Ulama-e-Haqq Aur Unke Mujahidana Karname, 1, pp. 22–23
  4. Iqbal Hasan Khān, Shaykh al-Hind Mawlāna Mahmūd Hasan: Hayāt awr Ilmi Kārnāme, Aligarh Muslim University, p. 116
  5. Muhammad Tayyib, Qari. Bukhari, Akbar Shah (ed.). 50 Misaali Shaksiyaat [50 Exemplar personalities] (in Urdu) (July 1999 ed.). pp. 58–59.
  6. Muhammad Miyan Deobandi, Ulama-e-Haqq Aur Unke Mujahidana Karname, 1, pp. 22–23
  7. Mehdi, Jameel (ed.). "Atiqur Rahman Usmani (1901-1984)". Mufakkir-e-Millat Number, Burhan (November 1987 ed.). Delhi: Nadwatul Musannifeen. pp. 506–507.

Kagganapalli Radha Devi

Kagganapalli Radha Devi and her award
Kagganapalli Radha Devi and her award

Created by Mujinga and Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 8[]

Historic Cherokee settlements

  • ... that in the beginning of the 18th century, an estimated 2,100 Cherokee people inhabited more than sixteen Cherokee settlements in the southeastern United States? Edgar, Walter (1998). South Carolina: A History. South Carolina: University of South Carolina Press.
  • Reviewed: I have banked five QPQ, please use this as 1/5 for now.

Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

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Dax Reynosa, The Battle for L.A.: Footsoldiers, Vol. 1

Created by 3family6 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC).

Biserka Cvejić

Biserka Cvejić in 1966
Biserka Cvejić in 1966
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: For counting look at this. She first appeared in Vienna in 1959 in the very same role, as a guest, becoming a member in 1960. Elegant ways to say that welcome. From Belgrade to New York in one year!

5x expanded by LouisAlain (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Espresso Addict (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 07:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 9[]


Source:Taube's original 1951 paper has this in the abstract

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC).


5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, Sammi Brie, review follows: 5x expanded, long enough, referenced, reasonably well written, neutral, referenced, free from copyvio, QPQ has been done. Hook could be better phrased to line up with the source, I think— I'm not convinced that House's quote can support that the pastor asked multiple employees, and does "give it to the Lord" necessarily equate "donate"? Curious to hear your thoughts. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, it means donate. Could change to format to the singular. "asked an employee each week if he wanted his check..."--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 06:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
That sounds really awkward to my ear... I did a little digging to see if there was more to work with and I'm afraid I'm not finding that much else to base a hook off of. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Julio César Gandarilla Bermejo

  • ... that Julio César Gandarilla Bermejo, former Cuban Minister of the Interior, did not have a Twitter account, even though Cuban president Miguel Díaz-Canel said all senior leaders should have one? Source: [67] "Pese a la solicitud de Miguel Díaz-Canel de que todos los altos dirigentes tuvieran cuenta en Twitter, Gandarrilla no estaba presente en esa red social." ("Despite Miguel Díaz-Canel's request that all senior leaders have a Twitter account, Gandarrilla was not present on that social network.")

5x expanded by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough, thoroughly sourced (AGF on foreign language sources), neutrally written and no Earwig pings. I wonder if there’s a way to make the hook snappier? I am interested in the fact that he was a founder of the National Revolutionary Militia (is that 1960?) and was a Minister in the Twitter era!
ALT1: ... that Julio César Gandarilla Bermejo, a founder of the Cuban National Revolutionary Militia, ignored instructions from the Cuban president Miguel Díaz-Canel to make a Twitter account?
Maybe that’s a bit much. Do you see a better option? Innisfree987 (talk) 03:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Bill hopper (furniture)

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg I just read through this and several issues seemed apparent:

  1. It's not clearly explained how this basket or box has the shelves to which the hook refers. I still don't understand the construction.
  2. At least one picture is sorely needed. As pictures taken by the US government are commonly PD, this shouldn't difficult to arrange.
  3. It doesn't appear that a hopper is used in the Senate as Bill (United States Congress) says "In the Senate, the bill is placed on the desk of the presiding officer."
  4. What happens in other legislatures such as the individual states and in other countries? A start might be made on addressing this with a See also section with links such as reading_(legislature)#First_reading
So, please flesh the article out to address these points and I'll then take another look. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Having browsed some pictures, the construction is clearer but there were clearly different pieces of furniture at different times and places. The shelving system pictured here is quite different from the hopper currently used here. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:14, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 10[]

Everard F. Aguilar

  • ... that stamp dealer Everard F. Aguilar proposed that the Jamaican Post Office issue stamps to mark the death of James Bond creator Ian Fleming but the idea was not accepted?
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: Still working on it. Part of the career section was copied from Philip Saunders but there is sufficient new material for a new DYK

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 15:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

Patricia Kenworthy Nuckols, Chickie Geraci Poisson, Betty Shellenberger, Alice Putnam Willetts, Joan Moser, F. Elizabeth Richey, Adele Boyd, Ruth Heller Aucott, Phyllis Stadler Lyon

Phyllis Stadler from 1952 Linden Hall yearbook
Phyllis Stadler from 1952 Linden Hall yearbook

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC).

Manek Premchand

  • ... that Manek Premchand estimated that 4,334 Hindi films made between 1930 and 1970 depicted around 36,000 songs? Premchand estimates that there were about 36,000 songs in approximately 4334 Hindi films made between the years 1930 and 1970...[68]
    • ALT1:... that Manek Premchand revealed who blew the whistle in Kati Patang? who might have played the whistle in Ye shaam mastani from Kati Patang (1970). I refer to a book called Hitting The Right Notes (author Manek Premchand)...[69]
  • Reviewed: to be done

Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Self-nominated at 19:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Mary Aldis (science writer)

Newspaper cartoon of Aldis published in 1897
Newspaper cartoon of Aldis published in 1897
  • ... that in 1887 “noted controversialist” Mary Aldis (depicted) tried to get Auckland City Council to stop a woman being fired from a cannon? Source: "Mrs Mary Steadman Aldis, wife of Professor Aldis, has appealed to the City Council to stop the performances of Delo, the woman fired from a cannon at the City Hall."Otago Daily Times 22 Jan 1887, via PapersPast "Information was received by the mail of the death of Mrs Mary Steadman Aldis, wife of Professor Aldis, late of Auckland. She was a noted controversialist, and an opponent of the CD. Act" Christchurch Star, 12 August 1897
  • Reviewed: Kyra Nichols
  • Comment: Article moved from user space 10 January (NZ time).

Created by DrThneed (talk). Self-nominated at 03:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

(not a review) Welcome to DYK, DrThneed. I bolded and linked the subject for you, now at Mary Aldis (science writer). It also needs the hooks connected by some (pictured) to the image. Mandarax, move-miracle please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Done. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 07:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Cyclone Meena

  • ... that Severe Tropical Cyclone Meena was the first of four severe tropical cyclones to impact the Cook Islands during February 2005? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: The article is still being developed but the hook can be cited back to the seasonal summuary.Jason Rees (talk) 17:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Created/expanded by Jason Rees (talk). Self-nominated at 17:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Current nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on January 11[]

Kathryn Garcia

Created by (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 02:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 12[]

Waller Plan

1839 Waller Plan of Austin, Texas
1839 Waller Plan of Austin, Texas
  • ... that the 1839 city plan for Austin, Texas (pictured), is thought to have been inspired by the original 1682 city plan for Philadelphia? Source: "Waller's plan, based on the eighteenth-century plan for Philadelphia, consisted of a grid with a central square at which major crossing axes terminated; smaller, secondary squares were located within the plan." ([71] p.13)
    • ALT1:... that the original city plan for Austin, Texas (pictured), named east–west streets for Texas trees and north–south streets for Texas rivers? Source: "The streets running north-south ... were named for Texas rivers, with their order of placement matching the order of rivers on the Texas state map. The east-west streets were named after Texas trees..." ([72])

Created by Bryanrutherford0 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

Bambang Suryadi

  • ... that Bambang Suryadi, a politician from the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle, was buried with the flag of the party above him? Source: "Pemakaman Bambang Suryadi: Istri Histeris "Itu Bukan Bapak kan, Bapak Masih Dirawat kan..."". Haluan Lampung (in Indonesian). 2021-01-04. Retrieved 2021-01-12. (source #8)

Created by (talk). Self-nominated at 13:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC).

Gabriel Sterling

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment. It's interesting. My only question is whether we should identify Sterling as an election official and Republican politician. I think so. 2603:7000:2143:8500:41B1:E48F:A84A:FEDC (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 13[]

Sidney Hill

Sidney Hill riding his horse
Sidney Hill riding his horse

Improved to Good Article status by Amkgp (talk) and Gricharduk (talk). Nominated by Amkgp (talk) at 17:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

No, as per WP:DYKHOOK its acceptable.— Amkgp 💬 05:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Corn Belt Weekend, Pinty's Dirt Truck Race

Grandstands at Knoxville Raceway
Grandstands at Knoxville Raceway
  • Reviewed: Sigmund Strochlitz; Jincheon Gilsangsa

Created by The Bushranger (talk) and ZappaOMatic (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Not a review, but while this is hovering around the 200 character mark after removing the second bolded article (and depending on whether you count (pictured)), I found it very hard to follow. It feels like two hooks combined into one (DYK: that it's the first race in 120 years and DYK: that there are two dirt-track races on the schedule). IMO they should be better combined or split into two DYK noms. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 14[]

Pallas's cat

Captive Pallas's cat
Captive Pallas's cat
  • ... that the Pallas's cat (pictured) was detected at an elevation of 5,593 m (18,350 ft) in 2016, the highest record to date?
    • ALT1:... that the Pallas's cat (pictured) has up to 9000 hairs per cm2 (58,000/in2) of fur?

Improved to Good Article status by (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

Olga Petit

Olga Petit
Olga Petit
  • ... that Olga Petit (pictured) – the first female lawyer in France – was a Russian? Source: "Rather than give Jeanne Chauvin the satisfaction of the being the first woman at the Bar, however, the Paris Council proceeded to admit Olga Petit, a Russian woman ..." (Pue & Sugarman, p. 204)
    • ALT1:... that the Paris Bar allowed Olga Petit (pictured) to be the first woman to take the legal oath in France to spite Jeanne Chauvin who campaigned for women's right to practice law in the country? Source: "Rather than give Jeanne Chauvin the satisfaction of the being the first woman at the Bar, however, the Paris Council proceeded to admit Olga Petit, a Russian woman married to a lawyer, since she had not been associated with the legislative initiative ... Their [the women's] admission marked a very public defeat for the Bar's claim to sovereignty and independence ..." (Pue & Sugarman)

Created by Darwin Naz (talk). Self-nominated at 22:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Turkey and the Holocaust

  • ... that Turkey has used Holocaust commemoration to deny both the Armenian Genocide and antisemitism in Turkey? Source: Quotes from Turkish officials: "In our history, there does not exist any genocide." "Turkish society has always been away from anti-Semitic feelings [sic], has never shown any feelings of anti-Semitism and xenophobia. Our people has [sic] always embraced their Jewish brothers."
    Analysis by Baer: Beginning in 2014, Turkish Jewish community leaders have been joined in their annual Holocaust commemoration by high-ranking Turkish officials who have used the occasion each year to promote the image of Turks as rescuers of Jews, from 1492 through to World War II. Playing the part of Jewish savior against the tide of genocide, the Turkish government can vaunt its pride and claim never to have engaged in such historical crimes, thereby denying, sometimes obliquely, sometimes explicitly, the annihilation of the Ottoman Armenians. — Baer 2020 p. 207
    "A second theme, unique to the Turkish case, is the determination to deny the Armenian genocide by acknowledging the Holocaust."

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

  • buidhe This does not look like a neutral hook. Many hooks can be made on this article that are both interesting and neutral.VR talk 03:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • There is no requirement for hooks to follow NPOV. See WP:DYKRULES. It is factual and sourced to RS which is what matters. (t · c) buidhe 03:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • If you go to WP:DYKRULES and look under "Content", it says The hook should be neutral.VR talk 04:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • How is it non-neutral? It is just a fact. One that doesn't reflect well on Turkey, but many hooks don't reflect well on their subjects and have always been allowed on DYK. (t · c) buidhe 04:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


DZ203 in RAF service
DZ203 in RAF service

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Looks good so far, but two immediate issues jump out at me: a minor one is that the aircraft S/N is mentioned in the lede, but never in the article and is thus unreferenced, while a bigger one is the "Canadian service" section has unreferenced parts; the second half of the second paragraph and the entire fourth paragraph lack inline references. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Çatalağzı power station

  • ... that Çatalağzı power station received 5 million lira capacity payments for 2020? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: To do
  • Comment: By the time I have done a review the value of X should have been published

Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg I changed the "X Million" to "5 Million", as Roman numerals in the Main Page may look weird to others without context. GeraldWL 07:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Thanks very much for approving this. Just to clarify the 5 million lira is only for November 2020. As the figures are released 3 or 4 weeks after the end of the month I expect the December figure to be published soon. Then I should be able to insert the total for 2020. Meanwhile I am doing my QPQ review which I hope to complete in the next few days. However it is possible I may have miscounted and still have one free before I need a QPQ - if so please let me know. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
So I have miscounted things. Considering you have 5 DYK credits, you need to review a nomination. I see that you're still reviewing a nomination, is that true? If you've approved that nomination, I'll go ahead and approve this nomination too. GeraldWL 08:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Ah is there a tool or easy method you used to count 5? If so it would be useful for me to check for the review I am now doing. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Chidgk1, use this tool. Insert your user name there (exclude the "User:"). GeraldWL 08:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This hook barely scrapes by our minimum character count requirement with 1513 characters. Is there anything more you could add? BTW, what is a 5 million lira capacity payment? Capacity is usually measured in volume, not in monetary terms. Yoninah (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oh and it's not sourced. GeraldWL 15:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Good question - in my opinion the use of "capacity payment" by the government here is an example of greenwash designed to confuse the public. In theory a "capacity payment" is a payment to make sure power generation capacity (such as a power plant you can turn up or down regardless of wind and sunshine) remains available in case of need. But here it is just a euphemism for a subsidy, as there are so many idle or underused gas and coal plants that even if you scrapped all the coal plants there would still be no risk of blackouts (I can cite that to a reliable source if necessary).
I was thinking of giving a total amount of money for the year(which is why I have not cited it yet), so is it possible you could put this on hold until next month as I now think the December payment will not be published until then? If not I will add up Jan to Nov (with cites) and revise the hook to say "over ........ million dollars subsidy in 2020". And if the hook should be longer I can add stuff about it being closed due to a smoking chimney and then reopened. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
My suggestion is to just cite the currently-known one and not wait until a report's published. If it eventually doesn't, you'll be disappointed. Play safe, I guess is the right word. GeraldWL 15:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 15[]

Blue & Grey (song)

BTS member V for Dispatch White Day Special
BTS member V for Dispatch White Day Special
  • ... that BTS' song "Blue & Grey" was originally intended to be included on band member V's (pictured) solo mixtape? Source: [73]

Improved to Good Article status by Ashleyyoursmile (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Sucker Punch Productions

5x expanded by OceanHok (talk). Self-nominated at 14:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 16[]

Andrew Harrison (journalist)

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC).

Dele Fadele

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Reviewed:

Yazmeen Ryan

Created by Moishe Rosenbaum (talk). Self-nominated at 02:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Ineligible; article has been returned to draft space. Yoninah (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Joel Farabee

  • Comment: His birthday is February 25, so if this could go out on that day I would appreciate it. Otherwise, it's fine.

Improved to Good Article status by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC).

  • article promoted to good article on Jan. 16 - check.
  • Way long enough at 9000 characters - check.
  • Citations exist, are plentiful, and pass spot-check. Hook is directly cited. Check.
  • No disputes, BLP-compliant. Check.
  • No close paraphrasing, via the Earwig tool. I made one wee change. Check.
  • Neutral. Check.
  • Hook looks properly formatted and appropriate length to me. The main hook was hook-y enough to catch my attention. (Really, they let people born in the 2000s into pro sports now? They didn't in my day! Get off my lawn!) I strongly prefer the main hook to alt-2, which is just a more-specific version of the main hook. That said, others may prefer the second hook, which is also cited and clearly written. I'd go with the first 'cause it's more general-interest, but YMMV.
  • I don't see a QPQ review. I might be missing something - I'll ask the nominator on their talk page. Once that's done, this is good to go!Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 02:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Minnie Lou Crosthwaite, Minnie Lee Crosthwaite

Created by Drmies (talk), (talk), and (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 21:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Drmies, we don't use parentheses in hooks. Yoninah (talk) 14:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I didn't know "we" had that somewhat odd rule, but I changed them to commas. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 17[]

Bangladesh national cricket team record by opponent

The Bangladeshi national cricket team against the Zimbabwean national cricket team at the Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka in 2009.
The Bangladeshi national cricket team against the Zimbabwean national cricket team at the Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium, Dhaka in 2009.

Created by Pratyya Ghosh (talk). Self-nominated at 22:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

Francis Duncan (writer)

  • ... that the true identity of the British crime writer Francis Duncan was unknown until after a reprint of his 1949 novel Murder for Christmas?

Self-nomination by Bob Castle (talk) at 17:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

BoRit Asbestos

5x expanded by Dwkaminski (talk). Self-nominated at 14:52, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

Zeyan Shafiq

Created by Hums4r (talk). Nominated by TheAafi (talk) at 14:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

  • TheAafi, indeed it is true, it was back when the social media's got banned here, the only way to access them was VPN, but i remember kashbook was the only one which worked without a VPN, that was the reason why it got viral, i don't understand about DYK thing, but responding to your question yes it worked without a VPN. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 14:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Symbol question.svg The page creator has admitted to a COI, and I would question the subject's notability. It appears he's only been doing this for a few years, hardly any time for notability to develop. Yoninah (talk) 14:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
      • I have to agree. The gist is KashBook is a Facebook clone that was used by around ten thousand users in 2017 in order to circumvent a social media ban. Perryprog (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Yoninah, while I agree that this article has COI issues around but its tone and notability is clear-cut, and I don't think KashBook is just one thing that adds to his notability, there's significant coverage in multiple sources (due to KashBook and Stalwart Esports) and I'm sure that the subject may add more to his notability in future. Just 18 yo rn! ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
          • The notability is not clear cut. And the sourcing still isn't great. Most of the sources are repeating each other which is indicative of a PR campaign. CUPIDICAE💕 15:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
            • I trust you Praxidicae. Please can you just post a detailed analysis of the available sources on article's talk page? Perhaps, I'd withdraw my nomination then but... ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
              • TheAafi, as far as i have read about DYK, i don't think this is eligible to meet the requirments, since it's is a very old news, the page is i guess more old then 7 days, and i don't know if it is listed as good article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hums4r (talkcontribs)
                • Hums4r Since, you don't know a thing, you should stop commenting on it; the fact doesn't need to be quite new to merit DYK, and please sign your messages every time. The article was moved to mainspace just four days ago. Good Article status is something that is very hard. But DYK doesn't demand an article to be GA or FA. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

YaYa Gosselin

Created by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Why does this meet WP:GNG? The article also needs to be sourced better; I have tagged her birthdate and Filmography. Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Live from Golgotha: The Gospel According to Gore Vidal

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion starting Jan 17 confirmed. Article appears to be policy compliant. Hook is short enough, accurate, sourced, and quite interesting. QPQ satisfied.
Problem: The opening paragraph is lifted directly from and this is done without quotation or attribution. The offending opening passage states: "Live from Golgotha: The Gospel According to Gore Vidal is a novel by Gore Vidal, an irreverent spoof of the New Testament. Told from the perspective of Saint Timothy as he travels with Saint Paul, the 1992 novel shifts in time as Timothy and Paul combat a mysterious hacker from the future who is deleting all traces of Christianity." The source (here) states: "The novel Live from Golgotha: The Gospel according to Gore Vidal is an irreverent spoof of the New Testament written by Gore Vidal. Told from the perspective of Saint Timothy as he travels with Saint Paul, the 1992 novel shifts in time as Timothy and Paul combat a mysterious hacker from the future who is deleting all traces of Christianity." This will need to be resolved before the hook can be promoted. Cbl62 (talk) 20:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 18[]

Un Jardin sur le Nil

A bottle of Un Jardin sur le Nil
A bottle of Un Jardin sur le Nil
  • ... that the perfume Un Jardin sur le Nil (pictured) was inspired by green mangoes? Source: "In 2005, a stroll through a garden island on the Nile provoked him to create the Hermès scent Un Jardin Sur le Nil. “The idea came to me in an alley of mango trees,” he recalls. The branches drooped with heavy, aromatic green fruit." (NYT)
    • ALT1:... that perfume Un Jardin sur le Nil (pictured) was Jean-Claude Ellena's first creation as Hermès’s first in-house perfumer? Source: "Ellena ... had recently been named Hermès’s first in-house perfumer." (The New Yorker story on the creation of the scent)
    • ALT2:... that perfume Un Jardin sur le Nil's green-tinted bottle (pictured) was inspired by green mangoes? Source: "In 2005, a stroll through a garden island on the Nile provoked him to create the Hermès scent Un Jardin Sur le Nil. “The idea came to me in an alley of mango trees,” he recalls. The branches drooped with heavy, aromatic green fruit." (NYT) and “To distinguish Nil, the bottle would be tinted green—a nod to the Aswan mangoes.” The New Yorker)
  • Reviewed: TK

Moved to mainspace by Innisfree987 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC).

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