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  • Unification of Germany - an FA showing its age, lead's far too bloated and article starts with a completely unreferenced timeline, items included are not mentioned elsewhere in the article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Quite a shame, as it's the 150th anniversary of the event. The version featured was actually in much better shape than it is now, and I was almost tempted to say we should take a sledgehammer to it and just go back to that version, as the 1871 unification probably didn't evolve rapidly between 2009 and now! It would need a bit more care and attention than that though I guess, just to make sure the "Timeline" stuff really isn't relevant and if there's any new scholarship that's come in. Will remove it from OTD later today, unless someone has a better solution.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    Do we bold the link to William I, German Emperor instead? --PFHLai (talk) 13:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't support delisting such a significant article based purely on a bloated lead. There's a big difference between a lead containing unsourced "common knowledge" and a lead containing misinformation. An objection needs to substantiate the latter, while examples of the former are absolutely fine. This complaint doesn't take either position. ~Swarm~ {sting} 02:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • 1915 – Japanese prime minister Ōkuma Shigenobu (pictured) issued the Twenty-One Demands to China .... On this day in 1915, the Japanese government under Ōkuma Shigenobu had a diplomat named 日置益 (Hioki Eki, no bio in English Wikipedia, just Japanese, Chinese and German) in China to present the Twenty-One Demands. The prime minister was probably still in Japan and was not the person who performed the "issuing" on this day in 1915. Is it still appropriate to say he "issued" the Twenty-One Demands and show his photo on MainPage? --PFHLai (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    I believe it is – the messenger isn't an important figure in the event, but the prime minister who made the demands is; most sources say the same thing anyway. I don't think we need to dwell on the exact semantics too much here. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 15:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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Alt texts

I think, and this also concerns the future of the Main Page (MP), we should include alt texts in images to make it more accessible to those using screen readers. I believe there's a parameter for that on MP templates. GeraldWL 15:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: I'm seeing the alt text, for example we have the image File:Peter Badcoe c.1950's P00942.002.JPG and it includes img alt="Peter Badcoe, c. 1954" . Are you seeing something different? If so, are you using desktop view, mobile view, or mobile app? — xaosflux Talk 16:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Xaosflux, I too see that. However I don't think that is sufficient as alt text, as it just copy the caption. For Peter Badcoe I expect it to be something like "Portrait of Peter Badcoe", as screen readers probably can't render "c." as "circa." For now, all alt texts here only follow the caption, so I request a different one. GeraldWL 01:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I see you do a lot of work with MP images (esp POTD), can you comment on this? — xaosflux Talk 01:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
POTD images have a parameter "texttitle" which I have never really known how to fill out, and have tended just to duplicate the title of the article to which the image is linked. I think I "could do better" in this respect, now that I realise what it is all about. For example, today's texttitle is "Venus with a Mirror", whereas it might be better to have "Painting by Titian showing Venus with a mirror". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: thanks for the note, the screen readers should already being identifying that there "is an image" so we don't need to do something like say "picture of ...", but if the depicted media type (like in your example a "painting") is relevant, including it could be helpful. Pings to a few other admins that deal with MP content prep for input: @Casliber, Valereee, and Maile66:. — xaosflux Talk 14:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Elizabeth II speaking to the public.
Unless it appears in an article on fashion, the alt text for this image of Elizabeth II should not be "an elderly woman wearing a black hat"
@Xaosflux, thanks for the ping. I'd actually support all images on the main page requiring an alt text. We had a discussion about requiring alt text for DYK back in November. There was some opposition because what makes a good alt text isn't well understood by sighted editors, and I think that's a valid concern. The gist of MOS:ALTTEXT is that alt text should convey any information the image conveys to the sighted. It doesn't mean we describe what's in the image. That's not a difference that's easy for sighted people to understand. —valereee (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Valereee, commenting on the picture's caption, see my reply to Xaosflux, p. 3. GeraldWL 12:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gerald Waldo Luis, you mean that a better alt for the image of Elizabeth would be something like "Elizabeth II greeting the public"? Yes, that's what the alt for this photo is. It's a likely caption, too, and the alt shouldn't simply repeat the caption; apparently it's better to simply put "refer to caption" as the alt. Some editors might think the Badcoe photo would need an alt saying "Black and white photo of head and shoulders of a man in Australian Army officer's uniform, turned three-quarters to the right." —valereee (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Valereee, yeah, but sadly that's not how the alts for the MP photo currently is. The TFA alt simply reads "York City War Memorial", and the ITN image simply repeats the caption. "Refer to caption" could be fine, however what if the image (like the TFA) has no captions? Suggest having "Photo of the York City War Memorial", instead of just repeating the article title. GeraldWL 14:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gerald Waldo Luis: I'm certainly not the main audience for alt text reading, but I'm not following why adding "photo of the" would be an improvement here - that it is an image, and the rest of that phrase is already there - basically I don't think the fact that this image was originally produced via photography is important in this case (again, I'm not the primary audience so I may not have the best understanding). — xaosflux Talk 14:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
undent: Photo of I would say makes it clear what kind of image of the memorial is. Is it a drawing? Painting? Closeup of a specific memorial? "Memorial" does not do a good job communicating that much as a basic level. --Izno (talk) 21:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
A Man Was Lynched Yesterday (cropped and retouched).jpg
I think photo/painting/engraving/etching or whatever maybe has to be balanced with brevity. My understanding is that the most important bits of info should go first in the alt. The point of an alt is to allow low-vision readers to get from the image the most important pieces of info that sighted readers get. The image to the right had a hook that said * ... that between 1920 and 1938, the NAACP flew a flag (pictured) at its New York headquarters to mark each lynching that occurred in the United States? The image was captioned "Flag flown by the NAACP". It clearly needed an alt; the crucial information being conveyed to sighted readers was the words the flag had on it. —valereee (talk) 21:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Valereee, imagine having the screen reader read "Flag flown by the NAACP". Then the caption is read "Flag flown by NAACP". It's repetitive. GeraldWL 12:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I know. That's what I'm saying: the image needed an alt that said something like 'Flag reading "A Man Was Lynched Yesterday" or something. That's what the image is conveying to sighted readers that is not being conveyed to those who are blind by the text or caption. And of course we aren't going to write a caption that explains what the flag says; that would look very strange to sighted readers. This is an image that obviously needs an alt. But many editors would write an alt saying 'Plain black banner with silver wording reading "A Man Was Lynched Yesterday"'. Which it shouldn't; at minimum the most important stuff should be first in the alt, and the fact there are silver words on a black background is not part of the information the image is conveying to sighted readers. —valereee (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
A related issue: the alt text for today's DYK includes wikilinks. MOS:ALT suggests not to include wiki markup. (Also, one link is to the disambiguation page Joan of France, when Joan of France, Duchess of Bourbon was intended.) Certes (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Alt text cannot contain links. It is not a suggestion but a requirement. --Izno (talk) 01:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • So, I've been trying to provide alts for DYKs. What is the best way for this one: Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1? It's this ugly scary weapon, short-handled and with a sort of sickle and a weight at the end of a that part of what the image communicates to sighted readers? Or do we just refer to caption? —valereee (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    "Two L-shaped bladed weapons, each with a weight attached by chain"? Certes (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    Calling them what they are is fine; "two kusarigama, short-handled sickles with weighted chains attached at the blade" or similar seems fine. --Izno (talk) 04:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit number 1,000,000,000 on English Wikipedia

In about 40 hours, two days before Wikipedia's 20th birthday on January 15, we'll reach edit number 1,000,000,000. (See Wikipedia:Time Between Edits#Projections for details.) I think that's a reason to celebrate! Are there any plans to post something to the main page? I'm not acquainted with the processes for this page... — Chrisahn (talk) 05:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Didn't we do something similar recently? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Last year we had a red banner underneath the Wikipedia globe logo to commemorate a certain number of articles created. ~ HAL333 14:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't think this is as "reader centric" as the x'th article being available for main page inclusion; I wouldn't be too opposed to maybe a short duration watchlist notice of "Congratulations on revision X, EDITOR" with a link to somewhere discussing it (WP:VPM maybe?) — xaosflux Talk 16:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm thinking whatever we're doing to celebrate the anniversary, just mention "and recently received its billionth edit" or something? —valereee (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@The ed17 and Ed Erhart (WMF): was WMF planning any CN banners for the birthday? — xaosflux Talk 19:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for pinging me! Tagging the community lead for the project Selsharbaty (WMF). Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

In 20 minutes... — Chrisahn (talk) 00:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

[1] We just made 1,000,000,000 edits on Wikipedia! NASCARfan0548  01:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

...and it was done by Ser Amantio di Nicolao, who is also the Wikipedian with the highest number of edits. What a serendipity. :-) Congrats! — Chrisahn (talk) 01:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Honestly, I was just trying to help get over the billion mark before the twentieth anniversary. It was a nice bonus having the actual billionth edit. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Serendipity or not, I still feel the need to give my congratulations. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Vaticidalprophet: and @Chrisahn: Speaking of music: "Thank you, thank you, thank you kindly". --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
And congratulations from me as well!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sturmvogel 66: Thanks very much! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Amazing!--Berig (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I will tell my friends I saw the one billionth edit "live" (I was active on Wikipedia at the time), they'll say I'm a legend, haha 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 15:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay responding on the question about foundation-run CN banners for Wikipedia 20. There is a CN banner running starting today for a week. It will be seen for non-logged-in users until 21 January. You can read the banner text, check out the template and get some information about it in this FAQ page. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 10:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is the Special:Statistics page lagging behind by more than 4 million edits? As of now, it says 995,877,695 page edits since Wikipedia was set up. Zarex (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't know but it was more than 100 million ahead in 2017.[2] Special:Statistics displays the same as {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} which renders as 996,355,222. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)