Potteries derby

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Potteries derby
LocaleStoke-on-Trent
TeamsPort Vale vs. Stoke City
First meetingStoke 1–0 Burslem Port Vale
1887–88 FA Cup
2 December 1882
Latest meetingStoke City 0–1 Port Vale
2001–02 Second Division
10 February 2002
Statistics
Meetings total185
Most winsStoke City (101)
Most player appearancesTom Holford (28)
All-time seriesPort Vale: 44
Drawn: 40
Stoke: 101
Largest victoryStoke 4–0 Port Vale
1930–31 Second Division
(26 September 1931)

The Potteries derby is the football local derby in Stoke-on-Trent between Port Vale and Stoke City. The fans of each club both consider the other to be their main rivals; this has led to a heated atmosphere at these matches. The two teams have met a total of 185 times, consisting of: 44 English Football League, 6 FA Cup, 62 friendlies, and 73 other (mostly local) cup games. One study in 2019 ranked it as the joint-28th biggest rivalry in English professional football, level with the Manchester derby.

Stoke-on-Trent is the least populous city to have two Football League clubs. Leeds, Leicester, Coventry, Hull, Bradford, and Cardiff are all larger cities that contain just one league club.

Background[]

Bottle kiln, Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.jpg

Both clubs come from Stoke-on-Trent and are the only clubs from the city to have played in the English Football League. Port Vale are Burslem based and Stoke City traditionally are based in Stoke-upon-Trent. The city of Stoke-on-Trent was incorporated in 1910 (city status granted in 1925), therefore before this time the two clubs were based in separate towns and were local rivals rather than rivals within the same city. Despite this however, the "Valiants" did use The Old Recreation Ground as their home stadium, which was located in Hanley.

Both clubs had strong links to the local pottery industry, Port Vale's unique name being based on the Trent and Mersey Canal and with City's nickname being The Potters.

Port Vale tends to get support from the North of the city, notably Tunstall and Burslem. Stoke therefore tend to enjoy greater support in the remaining parts of the city.

History[]

The two clubs have long league histories, Stoke City were founded in 1863 and Port Vale were probably formed in 1876. In the early 20th century, both clubs spent time out of the Football League structure: from 1907 (for Vale) and 1908 (for Stoke) until 1919 – both had resigned due to financial troubles. Stoke were founder members of the football league in 1888 and Port Vale were founder members of both the Second Division in 1892 and the Fourth Division in 1958. City have tended to be the more successful club over the years, the most valued trophy going to Stoke in 1972 in the form of the League Cup. Although Vale did reach the semi-finals of the FA Cup in 1954, Stoke bettered this with a second-place finish in 2011. Stoke have also tended to play in higher tiers of the football league throughout the clubs' history, although since 1919 the two clubs have found themselves in the same league for 22 seasons. Vale have had only five seasons playing at a higher level than City, and never in the top flight. Whilst competing in the same division, Vale have finished above Stoke on seven occasions. In every other year of the two clubs' Football League history Stoke have therefore have finished above Vale.

The first derby game was played at Westport Meadows on 2 December 1882, in the Second Round of the Staffordshire Senior Cup. Vale were complete unknowns, and so pulled off a surprise by managing a 1–1 with their more established rivals-to-be. No details of the match were recorded, though The Staffordshire Sentinel did mention the match along with the comment that it was "a spirited game". Stoke won the replay 5–1 at the Victoria Ground seven days later, with George Shutt bagging four of the goals. It took Vale seventeen attempts to register their first victory over Stoke, which they finally did in a friendly on 29 March 1890, winning 2–1.

The biggest attendance came on 6 January 1951, as a crowd of 49,500 packed into the Victoria Ground to witness the teams draw in an FA Cup First Round encounter. Three years later some 46,777 turned up at the ground when the pair met in the league. The biggest crowd for an encounter at Vale Park came on 25 April 1955, when a crowd of 41,674 witnessed a Stoke victory.

Though the two clubs have been main rivals since as early as the 1880s, they have supported each other in times of need. Before regaining their Football League status in the early 20th century, the two clubs had a pact that meant Vale would not bid for membership, leaving Stoke more likely to succeed in their bid; Stoke would then support Vale in any future bids they made. During times of deep financial crisis at the Vale, Stoke played fund-raising matches with the Vale in order to try and prevent their rivals from going into liquidation. In turn, Vale allowed Stoke to play a home game at Vale Park when a freak gale in January 1976 caused severe damage to the Victoria Ground.

Stoke's ten-year run in the Premier League (2008–09 to 2017–18) under the ownership of billionaire Peter Coates coincided with Vale spending five seasons in League Two, leaving the two clubs three divisions apart. However Stoke's relegation to and subsequent struggles in the Championship led to realistic prospects of a future renewing of hostilities. On 4 December 2018, Stoke's under-21s lost 4–0 to Vale's first-team in the EFL Trophy at Vale Park, and after the match an estimated "minority of 150-200 people" within Stoke's 4,000 ticket allocation trashed the away end at Vale Park; this added a sour note to Vale's season high attendance record of 7,940. Vale launched a controversial new commercial campaign in October 2019, offering youngsters the chance to swap Stoke City shirts and tickets for Vale ones, which was a response to Stoke's popular 'City 7s' scheme which handed seven year olds a shirt and match tickets for a game at the Bet365 Stadium.

Game list[]

The most recent game resulted in a 1–0 away win for Port Vale, Stoke City's last win over Vale being seven derbies ago.

This list shows all competitive senior matches in the English Football League, the FA Cup, League Cup, and League Trophy. Matches from wartime competitions, friendlies, Staffordshire Senior Cup, and other minor cup competitions are not included.

Note that the league system was re-organized in 1992 with the creation of the Premier League and in 2004 with the league re-branding.

Date Competition Stadium Score Port Vale Scorers Stoke City Scorers Att.
Stoke City promoted to First Division 2001–02
10 February 2002 Second Division Britannia Stadium
0–1
Cummins 23,019
21 October 2001 Second Division Vale Park 1–1 McPhee Iwelumo 10,344
5 March 2001 LDV Trophy Britannia Stadium
1–2
Cummins, Bridge-Wilkinson Mohan 11,323
17 February 2001 Second Division Britannia Stadium 1–1 Brammer O'Connor 22,133
17 September 2000 Second Division Vale Park 1–1 Bridge-Wilkinson Lightbourne 8,948
Port Vale relegated to Second Division 1999–2000
Stoke City relegated to Second Division 1997–98
1 March 1998 First Division Vale Park 0–0 13,853
12 October 1997 First Division Britannia Stadium
2–1
Naylor Forsyth, Keen 20,125
20 April 1997 First Division Victoria Ground
2–0
Sheron (2) 16,426
13 October 1996 First Division Vale Park 1–1 Mills Keen 14,396
12 March 1996 First Division Vale Park
1–0
Bogie 16,737
27 August 1995 First Division Victoria Ground
0–1
Bogie 14,283
22 April 1995 First Division Victoria Ground
0–1
Foyle 20,429
14 March 1995 First Division Vale Park 1–1 Naylor Sandford 19,510
Port Vale promoted to First Division 1993–1994
Stoke City promoted to First Division 1992–1993
31 March 1993 Second Division Vale Park
0–2
Stein, Gleghorn 20,373
3 March 1993 Autoglass Trophy Victoria Ground
0–1
Van der Laan 22,254
24 November 1992 FA Cup First Round Replay Vale Park
3–1
Foyle (2), Porter Sandford 19,810
16 November 1992 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground 0–0 24,490
24 October 1992 Second Division Victoria Ground
2–1
Kerr Cranson, Stein 24,334
Port Vale relegated to Third Division 1991–92
Stoke City relegated to Third Division 1989–90
3 February 1990 Second Division Vale Park 0–0 22,075
23 September 1989 Second Division Victoria Ground 1–1 Earle Palin 27,004
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1988–89
Port Vale relegated to Third Division 1956–57
29 April 1957 Second Division Vale Park 2–2 Cunliffe, Steele Graver, King 22,395
10 October 1956 Second Division Victoria Ground
3–1
Smith Coleman (2), Kelly 39,446
31 March 1956 Second Division Victoria Ground 1–1 Griffiths Oscroft 37,928
8 October 1955 Second Division Vale Park
1–0
Done 37,261
25 April 1955 Second Division Vale Park
0–1
Bowyer 41,674
4 September 1954 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 46,777
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1953–54
8 January 1951 FA Cup First Round Replay Victoria Ground
1–0
Bowyer 40,977
6 January 1951 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground 2–2 Bennett, Pinchbeck Mullard (2) 49,500
Stoke City promoted to First Division 1932–33
4 March 1933 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
1–3
McGrath Johnson, Ware, Matthews 19,625
22 October 1932 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
Johnson 29,296
6 February 1932 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
3–0
Marshall (2), Henshall 21,089
26 September 1931 Second Division Victoria Ground
4–0
Sale, Bussey (3) 28,292
18 April 1931 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground 0–0 13,403
13 December 1930 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
Robertson 26,609
Port Vale promoted to Second Division 1929–30
Port Vale relegated to Third Division North 1928–29
26 January 1929 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
1–2
Mandley Shirley (2) 18,869
15 September 1928 Second Division Victoria Ground
2–1
Griffiths Davies, Bussey 35,288
17 March 1928 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground 0–0 21,071
5 November 1927 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–2
Anstiss, Kirkham 31,493
Stoke City promoted to Second Division 1926–27
Stoke City relegated to Third Division North 1925–26
7 September 1925 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–3
Kirkham (3) 21,869
31 August 1925 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
3–0
Kirkham (2 [1 pen]), Strange 19,997
24 January 1925 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–0
Kirkham, Tempest 17,936
20 September 1924 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–1
Connelly 22,747
13 October 1923 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–4
Page, Butler J Broad (2), Eyres (2) 16,800
6 October 1923 Second Division Victoria Ground
1–0
Clarke 21,685
Stoke relegated to Second Division 1922–23
Stoke promoted to First Division 1921–22
7 January 1922 FA Cup First Round The Old Recreation Ground
2–4
Page, Brough Watkin (3), Tempest 14,471
1 October 1921 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
0–1
J Broad 20,000
24 September 1921 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 30,000
2 October 1920 Second Division Victoria Ground
0–1
Blood 26,500
25 September 1920 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
2–1
Page, Briscoe McColl 20,000
13 March 1920 Second Division Victoria Ground 0–0 27,000
6 March 1920 Second Division The Old Recreation Ground
0–3
Whittingham, Brown, Watkin 22,697
Port Vale and Stoke City re-admitted to the Football League 1919–20
15 October 1887 FA Cup First Round Victoria Ground
1–0
Lawton

Statistics[]

Bob Whittingham scored thirteen times past Vale for Stoke.

As of 12 January 2009

Club P W D L F A GD
Football League
Port Vale 44 13 15 16 41 45 −4
Stoke City 44 16 15 13 45 41 +4
FA Cup
Port Vale 6 1 2 3 7 9 −2
Stoke City 6 3 2 1 9 7 +2
Football League Trophy
Port Vale 2 2 0 0 3 1 +2
Stoke City 2 0 0 2 1 3 −2
Friendlies & minor cups
Port Vale 133 29 23 82 156 298 −142
Stoke City 133 82 23 29 298 156 +142
Totals
Port Vale 185 44 40 101 207 353 −146
Stoke City 185 101 40 44 353 207 +146

Honours[]

The League Cup trophy, won by Stoke City in 1972.

These are the major footballing honours of Port Vale and Stoke City.

Competition Port Vale Stoke City
Second Division / Championship (2nd tier) 0 2
Third Division / Third Division North / League One (3rd tier) 2 2
Fourth Division / League Two (4th tier) 1 0
League Cup / EFL Cup 0 1
Football League Trophy / EFL Trophy 2 2
Total 5 7

Crossing the divide[]

Players who have played for both clubs[]

Neil MacKenzie started his career at Stoke City, but had a short stay at Vale Park later in his career.
Tom Holford made a record 28 appearances in derby games.
Port Vale player-coach Gareth Owen started his career with Stoke.
Billy Briscoe scored five times for Vale in 22 derby appearances.
Billy Tempest played 24 derby games, mostly for Stoke.
Billy Herbert scored ten times past Vale for Stoke.
Jack Maddock played for both Vale and Stoke in the derby, and also turned out for Crewe.
William Dickson scored seven times for Stoke in derby games.
Jim Beech played in fifteen derby games for the Vale.
Sunderland legend Arthur Bridgett played for both Stoke and Vale.
Tommy Clare played for Stoke for fourteen years before becoming Vale's manager-secretary.
Micky Adams had a brief spell with Stoke before he was appointed manager of Port Vale.
Bill Rowley was a Vale player before he became Stoke's manager.

The player with the most appearances in derby games is Tom Holford, who played nine times in Stoke colours and nineteen times in Vale colours between 1899 and 1922. Dickie Smith played 24 appearances in Stoke colours, whilst Billy Briscoe turned out 22 times for the "Valiants". The player with most appearances in the derby following World War II is John McCue, who played seventeen times for the "Potters", followed by Vale's Roy Sproson with fifteen derby appearances. In terms of goals scored the record-holder is Bob Whittingham, who knocked thirteen goals in for Stoke between 1917 and 1920, though only one of these came in a Football League encounter. The most successful scorer in Vale colours has been Wilf Kirkham with seven goals, though he also scored once whilst playing on Stoke's side – all Kirkham's goals came in the English Football League.

Players in bold transferred directly between the clubs, or were released by one and then signed for the other. Only players who made a competitive first-team appearance are included on the list. John Lumsdon is the last player to have joined Port Vale on loan from Stoke City, having made the move in March 1978. Both the Potteries clubs also share a rivalry with Crewe Alexandra. Players highlighted in pink have turned out for all three clubs.

Player Port Vale career Stoke City career
Span Appearances Goals Span Appearances Goals
Ron Andrew 1964–1965 8 1 1957–1964 129 2
Len Armitage 1932–1934 13 2 1924–1932 200 19
Bill Asprey 1967–1968 33 0 1953–1966 341 26
Tom Baddeley 1893–1896 67 0 1910 7 0
Lewis Ballham 1888–1890 16 6 1891–1892 52 16
George Bateman 1882–1886
1886–1890
20 0 1886–1887
1891–1892
7 0
Jason Beckford 1991 5 1 1994–1995 5 0
Harry Benson 1908–1911 43 0 1901–1907 91 0
Bill Bentley 1977–1980 106 0 1964–1968 53 2
Brian Bithell 1977 2 0 1976–1977 18 0
Alan Bloor 1978–1979 6 1 1961–1977 482 19
Lucien Boullemier 1897–1902
1905
171 8 1896 7 0
Arthur Box 1904–1907 52 1 1907–1909 39 0
William Bradbury 1903–1907 12 0 1910–1911 31 0
Dave Brammer 1999–2001
2008–2009
98 4 2004–2007 112 3
Arthur Bridgett 1923–1924 15 7 1902 7 0
Ian Brightwell 2002–2004 41 0 2002 5 0
Joe Brough 1906–1907
1909–1910
1913–1922
189 104 1907 1 0
Adrian Capes 1900–1905
1907–1911
214 84 1905–1907 19 2
Mark Chamberlain 1979–1982 110 20 1982–1985 124 18
Neville Chamberlain 1978–1982 158 41 1982–1984 7 0
Tommy Clare 1884
1897
1898–1901
52 0 1884–1897 252 6
Albert Cook 1900–1906
1907
1909–1911
64 7 1906 12 1
William Cope 1904–1907 77 1 1907–1908 31 0
Harry Cotton 1901–1905 139 0 1905–1908 22 1
Tom Coxon 1902–1903
1906–1907
46 16 1903–1904
1907
38 6
Harry Davies 1938–1939 49 5 1922–1929
1932–1937
411 101
Carl Dickinson 2013–2016 143 4 2004–2011 60 0
Tony Dinning 2005–2006 48 5 2002 8 0
Alan Dodd 1986–1987 3 0 1969–1982 401 4
Billy Draycott 1890–1891 3 1 1891–1894 2 0
Archie Dyke 1913–1914
1919
21 2 1909–1912
1914
44 3
Billy Eardley 1894–1895
1895–1896
19 7 1896 10 1
Francis Eardley 1910–1911 6 2 1909 3 2
Wayne Ebanks 1985–1987 48 0 1984 12 0
Ted Evans 1896–1899 44 15 1891–1895 61 19
Arthur Fielding 1910–1911 4 5 1908–1909 3 0
John Flowers 1971–1972 37 0 1963–1966 9 0
Peter Ford 1959–1963 121 5 1956–1959 14 0
Jimmy Greenhoff 1981–1983 56 5 1969–1976 346 103
Peter Griffiths 1984–1986 48 5 1983–1984 64 5
Steve Guppy 1994–1997 128 13 2004 4 0
Charles Hallam 1922–1923 2 0 1924–1927 33 2
Mark Harrison 1980–1982 80 0 1982–1983 8 0
Arthur Hartshorne 1902–1903 30 3 1903–1905 56 0
Billy Heames 1897–1904 233 26 1883–1887 16 2
Geoff Hickson 1968 17 0 1959–1961 11 0
Ted Holdcroft 1901–1903 18 1 1903–1905 44 11
Tom Holford 1919–1924 56 1 1898–1908 269 33
Vic Horrocks 1905–1907
1911–1912
39 2 1904
1908–1911
20 8
Sam Howshall 1903–1905 2 0 1908 1 2
Jason Jarrett 2009 13 0 2005 3 0
Arthur Jepson 1938–1946 53 0 1946–1948 32 0
Tony Kelly 1994 5 1 1986–1987 44 4
Wilf Kirkham 1923–1929
1932–1933
276 164 1929–1932 51 30
Tony Lacey 1970–1975 215 9 1967–1969 5 0
Billy Leech 1899–1900 30 1 1900–1901 50 2
Terry Lees 1975–1976 47 2 1970–1975 28 0
Harry Leese 1913–1919 42 4 1907
1909–1913
119 29
John Lumsdon 1978 5 0 1975–1978 28 0
Neil MacKenzie 2008–2009 3 0 1996–1999 46 1
Ted McDonald 1894–1896
1897–1899
120 12 1896–1897 2 0
Arden Maddison 1924–1927 53 1 1924 1 0
Jack Maddock 1923–1931 182 12 1919–1921 23 4
Paul Maguire 1985–1988 147 27 1980–1984 120 25
Alan Martin 1941–1951 198 31 1951–1955 115 6
Lee Mills 1995–1998 128 44 2003 11 2
Jackie Mudie 1963–1967 64 11 1961–1963 93 33
Albert Mullard 1951–1956 178 23 1950–1951 23 5
Ernest Mullineux 1900–1904 127 2 1907–1914 187 0
Jimmy O'Neill 1965–1966 48 0 1960–1964 149 0
Harry Oscroft 1959–1961 48 12 1949–1959 349 107
Gareth Owen 2008–2009
2009–2013
129 2 2001–2005 5 0
Syd Owen 1907
1908
1 0 1906
1907
10 6
Louis Page 1932–1933 19 2 1919–1922 21 1
Martin Paterson 2016 18 2 2005–2007 16 1
Jack Peart 1922 7 0 1909–1912 47 41
Syd Peppitt 1950–1951 11 2 1936–1950 106 29
Edward Proctor 1896–1897 17 4 1895–1896 3 2
Danny Pugh 2017–present 56 3 2007–2012 89 3
Bob Ramsay 1886–1888
1893–1894
16 0 1888–1890 47 5
Vic Rouse 1926–1929 102 0 1922–1926 95 2
Arthur Rowley 1902–1903 66 4 1896–1899 62 0
Kevin Sheldon 1982 5 0 1975–1981 15 0
George Shutt 1891–1893 2 0 1885–1889 30 2
Barry Siddall 1982–1984 93 0 1984–1986 20 0
Eric Skeels 1976–1977 5 1 1959–1976 597 7
Freddie Steele 1951–1953 25 12 1933–1949 251 159
James Swarbrick 1911–1912 22 3 1910–1911 3 0
Billy Tempest 1924–1926 45 3 1912–1924 217 31
Michael Tonge 2017–2019 39 4 2008–2013 19 0
Billy Twemlow 1921–1923 22 0 1916–1921 37 2
Steve Waddington 1982–1983 2 0 1976–1979 56 6
Tommy Ward 1936–1938
1939
61 29 1938–1939 5 4
Frank Watkin 1929–1931 13 9 1926 5 3
Frank Whitehouse 1899–1900 19 1 1900–1904 95 24
Louis Williams 1912–1913 8 0 1907–1908 36 1
Ron Wilson 1963–1970 293 5 1959–1964 11 0
Alf Wood 1892–1895 65 18 1895–1901 134 10
John Woodward 1973–1975 106 32 1964–1967 11 1

Managers who worked at both clubs[]

Those in bold were actually full-time managers at both clubs.

Manager Port Vale career Stoke City career
Span Span
Micky Adams 2009–2010
2011–2014
1994
Bill Asprey 1967–1968 1984–1985
Alan Bloor 1979 1961–1977
Tom Holford 1919–1924
1932–1935
1898–1908
Jackie Mudie 1965–1967 1961–1963
Danny Pugh 2007–2012 2017–present
Bill Rowley 1884–1886 1886–1898
John Rudge 1983–1999 1999–2013
Stanley Matthews 1967–1968 1932–1947
1961–1965
Joe Schofield 1924–1930 1915–1919
Freddie Steele 1951–1957
1962–1965
1933–1949

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